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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby Unemployed » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:04 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:thanks kurama


You've got to make up your mind. Either I'm D Brooks, Kurama, or next I suppose I'll be Jesse Jackson. I mean shit, all Black people look and sound alike so what's the difference right?


It has nothing to do with your race. It's your particular brand of spurious argument style (which essentially boils down to accusing others of immaturity and overreliance on USNWR, shitting on NYU generally, and pulling out the race card left and right).

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby quakeroats » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:06 pm

rayiner wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:
Renzo wrote:ITT: people from T7-14 schools whine and fight about who's daddy can beat up who's.


ITT people from NYU delude themselves into thinking that being "#6" in US News translates to a real world difference.


It's okay. They can comfort themselves in placing 10-15% more of their class in biglaw than T7-14.


I'm not so sure the advantage is this large and that it isn't offset by related problems:

1. Their class is very large.
2. If big law is defined as all major non-NYC markets, NYU's performance is weaker than several of T7-14's after accounting for class size and the percentage of students it sends to secondary and tertiary markets.
3. Even looking at NYC placement, the large contingent of students staying in New York seems to leave the top of the class much better off than the rest, to an greater extent than schools that send students to many different markets or aren't located in a major market, or both.
4. They struggle with AIII clerkships.
5. They have various prestige-related issues (they have a close competitor they've played second fiddle to for decades, the reputation of (some of) their undergrad, they can't sell themselves as the Harvard of lower Manhattan, etc).

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:07 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:thanks kurama


You've got to make up your mind. Either I'm D Brooks, Kurama, or next I suppose I'll be Jesse Jackson. I mean shit, all Black people look and sound alike so what's the difference right?



confirmed

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:09 pm

D. H2Oman wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:thanks kurama


You've got to make up your mind. Either I'm D Brooks, Kurama, or next I suppose I'll be Jesse Jackson. I mean shit, all Black people look and sound alike so what's the difference right?



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D. H2Oman wrote:
IAFG wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:

You're an utter dumbass. The part that you edited out was the most relevant to the entire sentence (then again that's about the only way you could ever argue with someone with any sort of success---by using strawmans). You're reasoning is analogous to when Fox News edited out the NAACP speech of Shirley Sherrod--not surprising as you seem to share a lot of the same viewpoints and reasoning ability of Fox News. In case you are not aware, Logic games are actually a lot closer to discreet mathematics in many of their principles (I even had a PHD in math tell me this after he glanced over some games). If you think juggling finite numerical issues is the same thing as keeping up with how many different torts this person may have committed, you are an idiot. HTMFH

omg you're d brooks aren't you



holy hell, I think you're right. What a snipe by IAFG.

URM attending UVA were big hints, but what tipped me over was using his friend's accomplishment to buy himself credibility.



You and IAFG are rapidly becoming the Barney Fife and Jed Clampett of TLS.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby D. H2Oman » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:19 pm

Kurama20 wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:
The black guy wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:thanks kurama


You've got to make up your mind. Either I'm D Brooks, Kurama, or next I suppose I'll be Jesse Jackson. I mean shit, all Black people look and sound alike so what's the difference right?



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D. H2Oman wrote:
IAFG wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:

You're an utter dumbass. The part that you edited out was the most relevant to the entire sentence (then again that's about the only way you could ever argue with someone with any sort of success---by using strawmans). You're reasoning is analogous to when Fox News edited out the NAACP speech of Shirley Sherrod--not surprising as you seem to share a lot of the same viewpoints and reasoning ability of Fox News. In case you are not aware, Logic games are actually a lot closer to discreet mathematics in many of their principles (I even had a PHD in math tell me this after he glanced over some games). If you think juggling finite numerical issues is the same thing as keeping up with how many different torts this person may have committed, you are an idiot. HTMFH

omg you're d brooks aren't you



holy hell, I think you're right. What a snipe by IAFG.

URM attending UVA were big hints, but what tipped me over was using his friend's accomplishment to buy himself credibility.



You and IAFG are rapidly becoming the Barney Fife and Jed Clampett of TLS.


She's Jed.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby IAFG » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:24 pm

BruceWayne wrote:You and IAFG are rapidly becoming the Barney Fife and Jed Clampett of TLS.

better or worse than being the Adam Wheeler of TLS?

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby Renzo » Sat Oct 23, 2010 9:51 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:thanks kurama


You've got to make up your mind. Either I'm D Brooks, Kurama, or next I suppose I'll be Jesse Jackson. I mean shit, all Black people look and sound alike so what's the difference right?

That's completely false. There are Black people at NYU, and they don't go out of there way to find every opportunity to cry abut how unfair it is that NYU does well by its graduates.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby irishman86 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:08 am

BruceWayne wrote:
D. H2Oman wrote:thanks kurama


You've got to make up your mind. Either I'm D Brooks, Kurama, or next I suppose I'll be Jesse Jackson. I mean shit, all Black people look and sound alike so what's the difference right?


hahaha

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby rayiner » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:37 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
rayiner wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:
Renzo wrote:ITT: people from T7-14 schools whine and fight about who's daddy can beat up who's.


ITT people from NYU delude themselves into thinking that being "#6" in US News translates to a real world difference.


It's okay. They can comfort themselves in placing 10-15% more of their class into NYC than T7-14, the same or less into clerkships, the same or less into prestigious government, the same or less into Cali biglaw, and the same or less into DC biglaw.


:wink:


Your grades won't be good enough for clerkships or DOJ, Cali isn't hiring anybody, and DC is hiring only from HYS. HTH.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby RVP11 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:44 pm

Renzo wrote:ITT: people from T7-14 schools whine and fight about who's daddy can beat up who's.


Whose. But other than that, TITCR.

You know where threads like this are heading as soon as someone breaks out WLRK as an example for anything.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby BruceWayne » Sun Oct 24, 2010 1:54 pm

rayiner wrote:Your grades won't be good enough for clerkships or DOJ, Cali isn't hiring anybody, and DC is hiring only from HYS. HTH.


Nah, I'll probably end up in DC considering I know multiple URMs barely above median here (some below) with DC jobs lined up. HTMFH :wink: Gotta love the know it all pricks that frequent TLS!

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby IAFG » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:04 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
rayiner wrote:Your grades won't be good enough for clerkships or DOJ, Cali isn't hiring anybody, and DC is hiring only from HYS. HTH.


Nah, I'll probably end up in DC considering I know multiple URMs barely above median here (some below) with DC jobs lined up. HTMFH :wink: Gotta love the know it all pricks that frequent TLS!

I will sleep peacefully knowing your personality will squander any advantage you might otherwise have. Enjoy DLA Piper.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby BruceWayne » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:07 pm

IAFG wrote:I will sleep peacefully knowing your personality will squander any advantage you might otherwise have. Enjoy DLA Piper.


LMAO at a closet racist complaining about someone's personality! Especially, when the "personality" they don't like stems from them disagreeing with them on opinion based statements!

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:07 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
rayiner wrote:Your grades won't be good enough for clerkships or DOJ, Cali isn't hiring anybody, and DC is hiring only from HYS. HTH.


Nah, I'll probably end up in DC considering I know multiple URMs barely above median here (some below) with DC jobs lined up. HTMFH :wink: Gotta love the know it all pricks that frequent TLS!


So you are bragging about the fact that you can achieve less than your peers and still get a job because solely based on race? You stay classy now. And it's funny you blame other people for being racist when you are the one who wants to isolate yourself by pointing out your race consistently.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby IAFG » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:13 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
IAFG wrote:I will sleep peacefully knowing your personality will squander any advantage you might otherwise have. Enjoy DLA Piper.


LMAO at a closet racist complaining about someone's personality! Especially, when the "personality" they don't like stems from them disagreeing with them on opinion based statements!

I hope you do get DC. Being surrounded by other insecure, short, unattractive, self-important douchebags might help you make peace with who you are.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby BruceWayne » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:20 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:So you are bragging about the fact that you can achieve less than your peers and still get a job because solely based on race? You stay classy now. And it's funny you blame other people for being racist when you are the one who wants to isolate yourself by pointing out your race consistently.


Congrats on taking my statement out of context. Clearly telling someone that they will get poor grades because they said that there isn't a meaningful difference in placment between two different schools is very classy (as raiyner did). Interesting how you jump on my respone as being really unclassy, and just brush over what he posted. Not surprised though, TLS has a big anti URM sentiment.


IAFG wrote:I hope you do get DC. Being surrounded by other insecure, short, unattractive, self-important douchebags might help you make peace with who you are.


LOL nice try, there's no way a woman with as many posts as you have in that short a period of time is even remotely attractive!

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby rayiner » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:35 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:So you are bragging about the fact that you can achieve less than your peers and still get a job because solely based on race? You stay classy now. And it's funny you blame other people for being racist when you are the one who wants to isolate yourself by pointing out your race consistently.


Congrats on taking my statement out of context. Clearly telling someone that they will get poor grades because they said that there isn't a meaningful difference in placment between two different schools is very classy (as raiyner did). Interesting how you jump on my respone as being really unclassy, and just brush over what he posted. Not surprised though, TLS has a big anti URM sentiment.


IAFG wrote:I hope you do get DC. Being surrounded by other insecure, short, unattractive, self-important douchebags might help you make peace with who you are.


LOL nice try, there's no way a woman with as many posts as you have in that short a period of time is even remotely attractive!


Your posts sound like "2 + 2 = Chair." Honestly. I never said you'd get poor grades. I said you wouldn't get grades good enough to clerk. There is an 85% chance of that being true.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby BruceWayne » Sun Oct 24, 2010 2:42 pm

rayiner wrote:Your posts sound like "2 + 2 = Chair." Honestly. I never said you'd get poor grades. I said you wouldn't get grades good enough to clerk. There is an 85% chance of that being true.


Although that's a reasonable point, you and I both know that you did not mean it in a practical realistic way, but rather a typical TLS "I'm going to bask in your failure like a Jackass way". This is particularly likely considering the context.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby rayiner » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:51 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
rayiner wrote:Your posts sound like "2 + 2 = Chair." Honestly. I never said you'd get poor grades. I said you wouldn't get grades good enough to clerk. There is an 85% chance of that being true.


Although that's a reasonable point, you and I both know that you did not mean it in a practical realistic way, but rather a typical TLS "I'm going to bask in your failure like a Jackass way". This is particularly likely considering the context.


I find you somewhat annoying and self-important, but hey most law students are like that... that's not enough for me to wish you get median-pwned or anything like that.

My comment was simply to point out that you will likely not get clerkship-level grades, just like 85% of your classmates. So arguing about which school has a few % better clerkship placement is completely pointless*. The same thing is true for placement in Cali, etc. Yeah sure, NYU might not place any better in Cali than say UVA, but the Cali market is a disaster and accounts for very few jobs overall. NYU is still placed 2/3 of its class into big law last year, which is what matters in the end and is a figure that UVA, Michigan, etc, can't touch.


*) It's especially pointless because the year-to-year variance in clerkship placement is like 5%. A lot of people who could get a clerkship don't do so because they want corporate work and don't want to give up a year's salary. So depending on people's preferences in any given year the actual number fluctuates a lot. Eg: I know NU's clerkships numbers are up substantially for C/O 2010 because of the economy.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby Unemployed » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:55 pm

rayiner wrote:Your posts sound like "2 + 2 = Chair."


This pretty much sums up Kurama.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby D. H2Oman » Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:57 pm

Kurama wrote:
rayiner wrote:Your posts sound like "2 + 2 = Chair." Honestly. I never said you'd get poor grades. I said you wouldn't get grades good enough to clerk. There is an 85% chance of that being true.


fo shizzle my nizzle


I don't mean to be racist, but I do not understand this. Can you rephrase this please?

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby BruceWayne » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:58 pm

rayiner wrote:I find you somewhat annoying and self-important, but hey most law students are like that... that's not enough for me to wish you get median-pwned or anything like that.

My comment was simply to point out that you will likely not get clerkship-level grades, just like 85% of your classmates. So arguing about which school has a few % better clerkship placement is completely pointless*. The same thing is true for placement in Cali, etc. Yeah sure, NYU might not place any better in Cali than say UVA, but the Cali market is a disaster and accounts for very few jobs overall. NYU is still placed 2/3 of its class into big law last year, which is what matters in the end and is a figure that UVA, Michigan, etc, can't touch.


*) It's especially pointless because the year-to-year variance in clerkship placement is like 5%. A lot of people who could get a clerkship don't do so because they want corporate work and don't want to give up a year's salary. So depending on people's preferences in any given year the actual number fluctuates a lot. Eg: I know NU's clerkships numbers are up substantially for C/O 2010 because of the economy.
BruceWayne wrote:
rayiner wrote:Your posts sound like "2 + 2 = Chair." Honestly. I never said you'd get poor grades. I said you wouldn't get grades good enough to clerk. There is an 85% chance of that being true.


Although that's a reasonable point, you and I both know that you did not mean it in a practical realistic way, but rather a typical TLS "I'm going to bask in your failure like a Jackass way". This is particularly likely considering the context.


I find you somewhat annoying and self-important, but hey most law students are like that... that's not enough for me to wish you get median-pwned or anything like that.

My comment was simply to point out that you will likely not get clerkship-level grades, just like 85% of your classmates. So arguing about which school has a few % better clerkship placement is completely pointless*. The same thing is true for placement in Cali, etc. Yeah sure, NYU might not place any better in Cali than say UVA, but the Cali market is a disaster and accounts for very few jobs overall. NYU is still placed 2/3 of its class into big law last year, which is what matters in the end and is a figure that UVA, Michigan, etc, can't touch.


*) It's especially pointless because the year-to-year variance in clerkship placement is like 5%. A lot of people who could get a clerkship don't do so because they want corporate work and don't want to give up a year's salary. So depending on people's preferences in any given year the actual number fluctuates a lot. Eg: I know NU's clerkships numbers are up substantially for C/O 2010 because of the economy.



I find you to be a know it all and overly focused on arbitrary rankings differences, but again most law students at top schools share the same traits.

You missed a lot of my point in regards to the whole top 6 thing NYU etc. I did not mention clerkships, govt, non NY jobs as a way to brag about placement. I did it to highlight that this TLS infatuation with one school being number 6 and the others being number 7 is just an over obsession with the rankings. There just isn't this big difference in some of these schools that you all are implying. The reality is that in real life going to school number 6 over school number 7 just doesn't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things (except in the narrow situation of preferring to work in NYC and choosing school 7 over school 6). Grades, connections, all sorts of other outside factors are going to come into play, not just "OMG I went to school 6 and not one of those shitty 7-14 schools" that a lot of TLS 3000+ posters like to pass off. I've met far too many people here at UVA who came out fine for me to believe that garbage. Not to mention when you talk to practicing attorneys they would look at you like you were some sort of freak if you started fussing about going to a "top 6" as opposed to Boalt etc. Forgive me, but for some strange reason I put more weight on a practicing attorney than people who frequent online message boards.



D. H2Oman wrote:
Kurama wrote:
rayiner wrote:Your posts sound like "2 + 2 = Chair." Honestly. I never said you'd get poor grades. I said you wouldn't get grades good enough to clerk. There is an 85% chance of that being true.


fo shizzle my nizzle


I don't mean to be racist, but I do not understand this. Can you rephrase this please?


Definitely, I'll translate to your native tongue and give you some familiar context: "Gosh darn uncle Jeb, dat dere kiss sure felt good!"

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby IAFG » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:11 pm

BruceWayne wrote:I find you to be a know it all and overly focused on arbitrary rankings differences, but again most law students at top schools share the same traits.

You missed a lot of my point in regards to the whole top 6 thing NYU etc. I did not mention clerkships, govt, non NY jobs as a way to brag about placement. I did it to highlight that this TLS infatuation with one school being number 6 and the others being number 7 is just an over obsession with the rankings. There just isn't this big difference in some of these schools that you all are implying. The reality is that in real life going to school number 6 over school number 7 just doesn't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things (except in the narrow situation of preferring to work in NYC and choosing school 7 over school 6). Grades, connections, all sorts of other outside factors are going to come into play, not just "OMG I went to school 6 and not one of those shitty 7-14 schools" that a lot of TLS 3000+ posters like to pass off. I've met far too many people here at UVA who came out fine for me to believe that garbage. Not to mention when you talk to practicing attorneys they would look at you like you were some sort of freak if you started fussing about going to a "top 6" as opposed to Boalt etc. Forgive me, but for some strange reason I put more weight on a practicing attorney than people who frequent online message boards.

jesus h christ dbrooks, no one is saying USNWR rankings change job placement prospects. they are saying that certain schools have much stronger prospects than others. for example, boalt places like shit compared to columbia, NYU and chicago. USNWR does not make it so, it just happens to be correlated with hiring realities.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby rayiner » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:20 pm

BruceWayne wrote:You missed a lot of my point in regards to the whole top 6 thing NYU etc.


Because your arguments are garbage.

You mention all sorts of things: attorney opinions, small variation in clerkship placement, placement in markets with no jobs, etc, that just don't matter.

At the end of the day, law school is professional school. People go to law school to get a job. What matters, then, is how many people get the kind of high-paying jobs that they presumably came to law school to get. All the concrete data I have shows NYU absolutely killing it in that regard.

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Re: Schools & NYC Placement

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:20 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:So you are bragging about the fact that you can achieve less than your peers and still get a job because solely based on race? You stay classy now. And it's funny you blame other people for being racist when you are the one who wants to isolate yourself by pointing out your race consistently.


Congrats on taking my statement out of context. Clearly telling someone that they will get poor grades because they said that there isn't a meaningful difference in placment between two different schools is very classy (as raiyner did). Interesting how you jump on my respone as being really unclassy, and just brush over what he posted. Not surprised though, TLS has a big anti URM sentiment.


Um, you explicitly stated that you aren't worried about it because you will get biglaw in DC because of other minorities you know who finished at median and got biglaw in DC when we know most people at your school cannot. See:

BruceWayne wrote:Nah, I'll probably end up in DC considering I know multiple URMs barely above median here (some below) with DC jobs lined up. HTMFH :wink: Gotta love the know it all pricks that frequent TLS!


You are honestly the worst person on TLS at forging arguments. This has nothing to do with your race, it has to do with looking extremely stupid in the things you post.




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