PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

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PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby IAFG » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:16 pm

Overheard a tour guide at school say today Northwestern Law is #1 for job placement, so it must be true.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... 2443758843

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby DearCan » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:10 pm

I've seen further evidence of this, although I can't remember for the life of me how I stumbled upon it. I'm inclined to say it's somewhat accurate, because employers have got to love NU's WE requirement. Could one say this is NU's way of being more competitive in the current economic climate? I would have to say the people who run NU Law are a bunch of badasses for breaking away from the T14 norm. Aaaaand, NU is my first choice. EDing, and interviewing on the 18th. I love Chicago.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby Grizz » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:14 pm

IAFG wrote:Overheard a tour guide at school say today Northwestern Law is #1 for job placement, so it must be true.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... 2443758843


I'll be interested to see how this changes for everyone once the newest data comes out.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby Patriot1208 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:17 pm

o ya, can't imagine this will stick, especially with the relative weakness of the chicago market compared to the NYC market.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby DearCan » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:49 pm

Patriot1208 wrote:o ya, can't imagine this will stick, especially with the relative weakness of the chicago market compared to the NYC market.


Will the market make a whole lot of difference? Genuine question. NU isn't considered a regional school, so would its location matter enough to take it off the forefront?

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby Patriot1208 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:51 pm

DearCan wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:o ya, can't imagine this will stick, especially with the relative weakness of the chicago market compared to the NYC market.


Will the market make a whole lot of difference? Genuine question. NU isn't considered a regional school, so would its location matter enough to take it off the forefront?


it's not that people won't move or go to other markets. It's just that in general the majority of students will stay in the market the school is in. Even at the t14's. I would expect now that we are out of the worst of it that NYU and Columbia will pick back up.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby doyleoil » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:03 am

You just knew this thread would reek of rank stupidity from the git-go, but you really can't predict how low it's gonna sink until the idiot-convention reaches full throttle. I'll check back in on page three or so.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby IAFG » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:08 am

doyleoil wrote:You just knew this thread would reek of rank stupidity from the git-go, but you really can't predict how low it's gonna sink until the idiot-convention reaches full throttle. I'll check back in on page three or so.

ftr i was pretty transparently trolling. i thought it was pretty egregious for the school to cite this to prospies, and that was my point.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby DearCan » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:09 am

Patriot1208 wrote:
DearCan wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:o ya, can't imagine this will stick, especially with the relative weakness of the chicago market compared to the NYC market.


Will the market make a whole lot of difference? Genuine question. NU isn't considered a regional school, so would its location matter enough to take it off the forefront?


it's not that people won't move or go to other markets. It's just that in general the majority of students will stay in the market the school is in. Even at the t14's. I would expect now that we are out of the worst of it that NYU and Columbia will pick back up.


Are we out of the worst of it? I live in NC and the unemployment rate here is 11.7%. It's 8.4% in NY. Illinois is just over 10%. Regardless though, unemployment has spiked everywhere, and not predictably. I am no expert by any means, but it seems as though future employment is as unpredictable as this recession. Considering that all schools in the T14 are competing for those NYC jobs, I don't see how NYU and Columbia will somehow pull ahead of the pack. As I said this is just how it appears to me. If someone can give me evidence to the contrary, I would consider changing my views..

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby r6_philly » Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:40 am

I don't know if it is wise to compare the employment prospect of law graduates to the general unemployment rate. I know law is not one of them, but some industries are thriving. I know some sectors are suffering much worse than 12%, I don't know what side law is on. It is entirely possible that the legal sector overreacted and created an artificial low for the new grad market. The drop in employment may be a protective measure rather than a true structural problem.

Anyhow, is it possible that NU's emphasis on WE translate into an easier time for their grads at hiring time? I repeatedly heard this theme during the interview.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby Patriot1208 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:42 pm

DearCan wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:
DearCan wrote:
Patriot1208 wrote:o ya, can't imagine this will stick, especially with the relative weakness of the chicago market compared to the NYC market.


Will the market make a whole lot of difference? Genuine question. NU isn't considered a regional school, so would its location matter enough to take it off the forefront?


it's not that people won't move or go to other markets. It's just that in general the majority of students will stay in the market the school is in. Even at the t14's. I would expect now that we are out of the worst of it that NYU and Columbia will pick back up.


Are we out of the worst of it? I live in NC and the unemployment rate here is 11.7%. It's 8.4% in NY. Illinois is just over 10%. Regardless though, unemployment has spiked everywhere, and not predictably. I am no expert by any means, but it seems as though future employment is as unpredictable as this recession. Considering that all schools in the T14 are competing for those NYC jobs, I don't see how NYU and Columbia will somehow pull ahead of the pack. As I said this is just how it appears to me. If someone can give me evidence to the contrary, I would consider changing my views..


Well, historically, Columbia and NYU place better in biglaw than NW anyways. Now of course past results don't equal future results but it just seems a bit too soon to jump on the NW bandwagon because of only year at being at the head of the pack.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby dissonance1848 » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:44 pm

CLS and NYU have a huge built-in advantage in NYC: Alumni!

They are playing on their own turf, while others are coming in from outside. Seems to me CLS and NYU will have better job placement margins than their rivals, and will begin to pull away, since the action is now more in NYC and other markets are being killed.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby tome » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:23 am

doyleoil wrote:You just knew this thread would reek of rank stupidity from the git-go, but you really can't predict how low it's gonna sink until the idiot-convention reaches full throttle. I'll check back in on page three or so.



Your envy is delicious to me.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby bmwhype2 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:05 pm

Why is NWU the only top14 to place emphasis on a minimum of 2 year WE

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby IAFG » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:06 pm

bmwhype2 wrote:Why is NWU the only top14 to place emphasis on a minimum of 2 year WE

monopoly on cleverness.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby rayiner » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:01 pm

bmwhype2 wrote:Why is NWU the only top14 to place emphasis on a minimum of 2 year WE


Gaming OCI.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby DearCan » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:49 pm

IAFG wrote:
bmwhype2 wrote:Why is NWU the only top14 to place emphasis on a minimum of 2 year WE

monopoly on cleverness.


ITE most definitely.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby dresden doll » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:58 pm

doyleoil wrote:You just knew this thread would reek of rank stupidity from the git-go, but you really can't predict how low it's gonna sink until the idiot-convention reaches full throttle. I'll check back in on page three or so.


You never disappoint. Please, keep it up.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby Chuch » Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:43 pm

Just saw K and E's list of SAs for 2011 and Northwestern DESTROYED U Chicago. I guess it's possible that UC students simultaneously and randomly self selected out of the #1 firm in their home market, but that seems like
doyleoil wrote:rank stupidity

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby rayiner » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:16 pm

Chuch wrote:Just saw K and E's list of SAs for 2011 and Northwestern DESTROYED U Chicago. I guess it's possible that UC students simultaneously and randomly self selected out of the #1 firm in their home market, but that seems like
doyleoil wrote:rank stupidity


Eh. Kirkland has similarly high targets at NU and U Chicago. However, people in that range at U Chicago are more likely to prestigious opportunities in NYC/DC and also due to a market preferences more likely to take those opportunities.

Plus, top of the class types want Sidley for some odd reason.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby showNprove » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:31 pm

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby chadwick218 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:42 pm

showNprove wrote:
rayiner wrote:
bmwhype2 wrote:Why is NWU the only top14 to place emphasis on a minimum of 2 year WE


Gaming OCI.

TITCR

Employers prefer WE to no WE. NU has a disproportional amount of students with WE. Hence, NU will perform disproportionately well (relative to its rank) at OCI.

The point is: if you go to NU with no work experience, you're not going to get some magical bump because you're an NU student. NU isn't the best school for biglaw placement--it has the best student body for biglaw placement (i.e., lots of student with desirable backgrounds).


At least, that's my theory. Any NU students have anecdotal evidence to support/contradict this? How do median to below-median students with no WE do at OCI?


NU 2L here. I would say that this is largely on point. We also have a disproportional number of students with IP backgrounds. They all largely faired very well during OCI (even those somewhat below the median).

From the data that I have gathered, it appears as though 65% of the 2L class (excluding transfers because I really have no idea) received a least one offer from a V100 firm.

It is also worth pointing out that ~10% of our class are JD/MBAs. Most did not particpate in OCI.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby bdubs » Mon Nov 15, 2010 1:58 pm

chadwick218 wrote:It is also worth pointing out that ~10% of our class are JD/MBAs. Most did not particpate in OCI.


Really? Has the economy noticeably affected the choice of MBA/JD recruiting for the joint program candidates? In previous years 50% or more of NWU JD/MBA grads have opted for legal positions.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby chadwick218 » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:12 pm

bdubs wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:It is also worth pointing out that ~10% of our class are JD/MBAs. Most did not particpate in OCI.


Really? Has the economy noticeably affected the choice of MBA/JD recruiting for the joint program candidates? In previous years 50% or more of NWU JD/MBA grads have opted for legal positions.


I attribute it more to self-selection than any pickup in the corporate market. If my understanding is correct, Kellogg is almost entirely responsible for JD/MBA admissions. Alternatively, this class could just be an anamoly.

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Re: PSA: Northwestern Law Best School for Employment

Postby bdubs » Mon Nov 15, 2010 2:58 pm

chadwick218 wrote:
bdubs wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:It is also worth pointing out that ~10% of our class are JD/MBAs. Most did not particpate in OCI.


Really? Has the economy noticeably affected the choice of MBA/JD recruiting for the joint program candidates? In previous years 50% or more of NWU JD/MBA grads have opted for legal positions.


I attribute it more to self-selection than any pickup in the corporate market. If my understanding is correct, Kellogg is almost entirely responsible for JD/MBA admissions. Alternatively, this class could just be an anamoly.


Thanks for the info. I was wondering if the tenor of recruiting had changed but it sounds like it is just due to the small sample size.




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