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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby traehekat » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:12 pm

c'mon hawkeyes....................

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby imbored25 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:41 pm

T25
Texas
Michigan
Notre Dame
Duke
USC
Stanford

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby 20160810 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:44 pm

imbored25 wrote:T25
Texas
Michigan
Notre Dame
Duke

USC
Stanford


What the hell?

Do people ITT not realize that Cal and UC Berkeley are the same school?

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby BioEBear2010 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:47 pm

Seriously, where's the Berkeley love?

Also, watching Stanford beat up Wake Forest last night was really fun :)

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby 20160810 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:00 pm

BioEBear2010 wrote:Seriously, where's the Berkeley love?

Also, watching Stanford beat up Wake Forest last night was really fun :)

I seriously think this has to do with not being aware that Cal = UC Berkeley. Everyone knows UCB just as "Berkeley," but when I talk to out-of-staters about Cal sports I always get some kind of surprised response along the lines of "Oh, Cal is Berkeley? I thought it was Cal State."

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby imbored25 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:02 pm

SBL wrote:
imbored25 wrote:T25
Texas
Michigan
Notre Dame
Duke

USC
Stanford


What the hell?

Do people ITT not realize that Cal and UC Berkeley are the same school?


Notre Dame's championships occurred in the following sports

* Football: 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
* Fencing: (Men's) 1977, 1978, 1986, (Women's) 1987, (Combined) 1994, 2003, 2005
* Women's Soccer: 1995, 2004
* Men's Tennis: 1944, 1959
* Women's Basketball: 2001
* Men's Cross Country: 1957
* Men's Golf: 1944
With eleven consensus NCAA football championships, over 800 all time wins, seven Heisman Trophy winners, famous head coaches, a 73.6% winning percentage and the most consensus All-Americans of any school, Notre Dame football is one of the most storied programs both on the gridiron and college athletics in general

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby 20160810 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:15 pm

imbored25 wrote:
SBL wrote:
imbored25 wrote:T25
Texas
Michigan
Notre Dame
Duke

USC
Stanford


What the hell?

Do people ITT not realize that Cal and UC Berkeley are the same school?


Notre Dame's championships occurred in the following sports

* Football: 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
* Fencing: (Men's) 1977, 1978, 1986, (Women's) 1987, (Combined) 1994, 2003, 2005
* Women's Soccer: 1995, 2004
* Men's Tennis: 1944, 1959
* Women's Basketball: 2001
* Men's Cross Country: 1957
* Men's Golf: 1944
With eleven consensus NCAA football championships, over 800 all time wins, seven Heisman Trophy winners, famous head coaches, a 73.6% winning percentage and the most consensus All-Americans of any school, Notre Dame football is one of the most storied programs both on the gridiron and college athletics in general

First of all, fencing? Women's soccer? GTFO with this ESPN-8 The Ocho-type shit. There are two sports that matter. Football and basketball, which latter only matters a little bit.

Secondly, ND's last championship was during the Reagan Administration. If someone is picking law schools NOW based on sports, I don't think that's too relevant. If we're going based on historical championships, they may as well pick Yale or Penn, since those 2 teams won pretty much every football championship in the 19th Century.

Thirdly, Go Bears.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby Patriot1208 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:19 pm

imbored25 wrote:
SBL wrote:
imbored25 wrote:T25
Texas
Michigan
Notre Dame
Duke

USC
Stanford


What the hell?

Do people ITT not realize that Cal and UC Berkeley are the same school?


Notre Dame's championships occurred in the following sports

* Football: 1924, 1929, 1930, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1949, 1966, 1973, 1977, 1988
* Fencing: (Men's) 1977, 1978, 1986, (Women's) 1987, (Combined) 1994, 2003, 2005
* Women's Soccer: 1995, 2004
* Men's Tennis: 1944, 1959
* Women's Basketball: 2001
* Men's Cross Country: 1957
* Men's Golf: 1944
With eleven consensus NCAA football championships, over 800 all time wins, seven Heisman Trophy winners, famous head coaches, a 73.6% winning percentage and the most consensus All-Americans of any school, Notre Dame football is one of the most storied programs both on the gridiron and college athletics in general


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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby d34d9823 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:24 pm

SBL wrote:First of all, fencing? Women's soccer? GTFO with this ESPN-8 The Ocho-type shit. There are two sports that matter. Football and basketball, which latter only matters a little bit.

This. Please, people, let's hear no more about bowling or poker or crocheting. Tell us how your school is good at football, or, if you're too pussy for that, basketball.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby imbored25 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:37 pm

While I agree football is the only sport that matters there were some ppl earlier claiming the whole sports program is important, thus i listed all of their championships. Current football would go:
Texas
USC
Stanford
Michigan

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby 20160810 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:38 pm

imbored25 wrote:While I agree football is the only sport that matters there were some ppl earlier claiming the whole sports program is important, thus i listed all of their championships. Current football would go:
Texas
USC
Stanford
Michigan

Egregious USC trolling.

Edit: I'm actually not sure if this is pro-UT's law school trolling or anti-Stanford's football program trolling.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby d34d9823 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:43 pm

SBL wrote:
imbored25 wrote:While I agree football is the only sport that matters there were some ppl earlier claiming the whole sports program is important, thus i listed all of their championships. Current football would go:
Texas
USC
Stanford
Michigan

Egregious USC trolling.

Edit: I'm actually not sure if this is pro-UT's law school trolling or anti-Stanford's football program trolling.

USC law school or football program trolling?

As bad as Michigan has been lately, I can't see putting Stanford above them. Stanford has only been mildly good for like the last 2 years. Middle of the decade they were worse than Michigan ever was. Not to mention, Michigan football carries a cachet that a few losing seasons can't erase.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby 20160810 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:55 pm

d34dluk3 wrote:
SBL wrote:
imbored25 wrote:While I agree football is the only sport that matters there were some ppl earlier claiming the whole sports program is important, thus i listed all of their championships. Current football would go:
Texas
USC
Stanford
Michigan

Egregious USC trolling.

Edit: I'm actually not sure if this is pro-UT's law school trolling or anti-Stanford's football program trolling.

USC law school or football program trolling?

As bad as Michigan has been lately, I can't see putting Stanford above them. Stanford has only been mildly good for like the last 2 years. Middle of the decade they were worse than Michigan ever was. Not to mention, Michigan football carries a cachet that a few losing seasons can't erase.

Stanford lost to UC Davis
Michigan lost to App State

In the past couple years, it's Stanford hands-down, but overall Michigan is the better program.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby Lawl Shcool » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:00 pm

As an tOSU alum it pains me to say this but, Michigan > Stanford for sports. As a current Cal student it does feel kinda good to put down Stanford though.....

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby clintonius » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:07 pm

I must admit that I'm kind of in love with the idea of people opening up spots at Stanford by taking UM because of its football program.

That is all.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby PostHawk » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:31 pm

It depends on if you're hoping to watch a lot of good sports in person or just want to root for a team that's good. I personally like to watch good competition between schools (i'll still be rooting for my UG sports teams). So you might look into how an overall conference is doing... in which case you might look into Big ten and Big 12 schools. Then depending on if you prefer basketball or football i'd go with Big East or SEC, respectively.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby D. H2Oman » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:32 pm

SBL wrote:
BioEBear2010 wrote:Seriously, where's the Berkeley love?

Also, watching Stanford beat up Wake Forest last night was really fun :)

I seriously think this has to do with not being aware that Cal = UC Berkeley. Everyone knows UCB just as "Berkeley," but when I talk to out-of-staters about Cal sports I always get some kind of surprised response along the lines of "Oh, Cal is Berkeley? I thought it was Cal State."



I think you're right, I didn't know Cal was Berkeley until this year.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby d34d9823 » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:37 pm

D. H2Oman wrote:
SBL wrote:
BioEBear2010 wrote:Seriously, where's the Berkeley love?

Also, watching Stanford beat up Wake Forest last night was really fun :)

I seriously think this has to do with not being aware that Cal = UC Berkeley. Everyone knows UCB just as "Berkeley," but when I talk to out-of-staters about Cal sports I always get some kind of surprised response along the lines of "Oh, Cal is Berkeley? I thought it was Cal State."



I think you're right, I didn't know Cal was Berkeley until this year.

My life is now dedicated to making people believe that Cal is CSU Bakersfield. :P

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby Entchen » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:59 pm

My love of hockey isn't the ONLY reason Michigan and Cornell (and, among safety-er schools, Minnesota and BC) are among my personal favorites, but it doesn't hurt. :D

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby imbored25 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:32 am

PostHawk wrote:It depends on if you're hoping to watch a lot of good sports in person or just want to root for a team that's good. I personally like to watch good competition between schools (i'll still be rooting for my UG sports teams). So you might look into how an overall conference is doing... in which case you might look into Big ten and Big 12 schools. Then depending on if you prefer basketball or football i'd go with Big East or SEC, respectively.


i would agree with this, and if you consider overall sports programs plus quality of schools, there's no question the big 10 is the best

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby PDaddy » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:38 am

lawyerwannabe wrote:There are only five schools, IMO, in the t-14 that have any sort of nationally recognized sports program: SMVDG.

In ranking these five, it would come down to whether you really like one sport more than all the others or if you would rather go to a school that is fairly well-rounded or a combination of the two.

M is the best all around IMO.
MVDG all have pretty good basketball programs with D being superior.
SMV all have pretty good football programs with S and M being superior.

Thus, my rankings would be:

1) Duke (Being nationally dominant at one popular sport would be cool)
2) Michigan (solid all around and historically very good at football and basketball)
3) Stanford
4) Georgetown
5) Virginia
6) Rest of t-14



UCLA, USC and Texas should definitely be considered T14 for these purposes. If you remove any three of Cornell, Penn, U-Chicago HY and Columbia, there's room for those other "T-14-cusp" schools.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby sundance95 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:47 am

As someone from the Bay Area, I literally lol'd at the idea of Stanford being a better school for college athletic fanship than Michigan. Seriously, no one in the Bay Area cares. Why? Because we have 2 MLB franchises, 2 NFL franchises, and an NBA and NHL franchise. College sports are majorly crowded out and the fan base off campus just isn't that strong.

Now, Detroit has pro teams as well, but Ann Arbor's it's own deal and practically the entire state is batshit-crazy for Michigan football. 100,000+ in one stadium? Michigan hands down.

Duke is TCR for basketball but the nice thing about football is that you actually would have a chance to see a huge game (e.g., Ohio State or Michigan State) due to the stadium size. As a student, you have a snowball's chance in hell of coming within 500 feet of a Duke/UNC basketball ticket. My sister in law went to UNC UG, and they make you go cheer at all kinds of BS events like volleyball and swimming to accumulate points. If you did this religiously for 3-4 years, you had a chance (I stress chance) to accumulate enough points to get tix to ONE Duke/UNC game. Not sure if this is the case at Duke but I will note that Cameron Indoor Stadium is significantly smaller than UNC's building.

As a Cal fan I too noticed the egregious anti-Cal trolling ITT. However, it might help our case if Cal football didn't spectacularly and epically shit the bed every damn time they cracked the top 10. Consistently being 3rd or 2nd in the Pac-10 (11 now?) just isn't going to get you national recognition.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby takehold » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:04 am

lawyerwannabe wrote:1) Excluding Cal was wrong.
2) The director's cup should not be the measuring stick you use to judge a school's athletics.

If you want to go to a school that is good at rowing and wrestling and has an overall high point total in the director's cup versus a school that has either a nationally recognized and competitive football or basketball program (or both) then you are not a sports fan and this thread is irrelevant to you.


My issue was with the use of the term "nationally recognized sports program." A program is inclusive of all the sports. And if you believe that Cal does not have a nationally-recognized, competitive football and basketball program, then you are not a sports fan and this thread is irrelevant to you.

And using the "only football and basketball" barometer, let's analyze the recent trends of say, Michigan, and Cal. In the last couple years, Cal has outperformed Michigan in a combination of the two sports. It actually has outperformed any of the other programs on that list.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby sundance95 » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:18 am

takehold wrote:
My issue was with the use of the term "nationally recognized sports program." A program is inclusive of all the sports. And if you believe that Cal does not have a nationally-recognized, competitive football and basketball program, then you are not a sports fan and this thread is irrelevant to you.

And using the "only football and basketball" barometer, let's analyze the recent trends of say, Michigan, and Cal. In the last couple years, Cal has outperformed Michigan in a combination of the two sports. It actually has outperformed any of the other programs on that list.


Cool story, bro. In the last couple of years? Who cares? I'm sorry, but how many championships does Cal have? How many Pac-10 championships, let alone national championships?

I'm a Cal fan too. I get it. But trust me, this is not an argument you want to have. On the collegiate sports landscape, Cal is somewhere in the T30 while Michigan is solidly T6.

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Re: Sports and top law schools

Postby jnorsky » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:35 am

Lets be serious, objectively, hands down, Michigan is a bigger football school than Cal and anyone who says other wise is an idiot. The only reason michigan had 2 bad years was because they changed there style of play pretty much 100%. Ryan Mallet (yea the heisman frontrunner right now) is a michigan transfer because Rich Rod came in. You know, a 6'7'' gun slinger doesnt quite fit into a spread offense like rich rods.

When your most famous moment on the grid iron is playing stanford when the band was on the field, you know your program is not quite as top flight as schools like Michigan. The stadium packs 113,000 people EVERY GAME regardless of who we play. Hail to the Victors baby.




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