Just for fun - your mini tiers

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby deadhipsters » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:28 pm

Tsispilos wrote:these are the getting-laid tiers within the T14 (assuming target audience is average college graduate):

harvard





yale, stanford









columbia, cornell (rest of the ivies)

penn (nobody's really sure whether it's an ivy or a state school)



georgetown (it seems more frequently mentioned in law related movies than any other non-Harvard law school)

NYU (if it's in NYC it must be really cool)

duke (assuming you're not a lacrosse player)








northwestern






all the ones that begin with "university of," and aren't ivies.




Duke should be at the top of this list for lacrosse players looking for lay prestige.

Ohhh, false rape accusations. Fantastic.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby Rand M. » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:29 pm

prezidentv8 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:9) UC-Irvine


Wow I knew Irvine found some solid faculty, but...wow.


A lot of it is Erwin Chemerinsky.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby im_blue » Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:48 pm

Rand M. wrote:
prezidentv8 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:9) UC-Irvine


Wow I knew Irvine found some solid faculty, but...wow.


A lot of it is Erwin Chemerinsky.

+1. And their rank will certainly drop as they hire more faculty which dilutes their score.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby tea_drinker » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:32 am

im_blue wrote:
Rand M. wrote:
prezidentv8 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:9) UC-Irvine


Wow I knew Irvine found some solid faculty, but...wow.


A lot of it is Erwin Chemerinsky.

+1. And their rank will certainly drop as they hire more faculty which dilutes their score.


+1. And there is a small, possibly none at all, chance that 5 CA schools in T20. I dont think UCLA or USC will get bumped

I look through list of faculty at schools and rank according to academic impact:

Y
HC
SCN
BPM
VN
Cornell
D,G,UT,UCLA
Vandy, USC

and the rest of T20

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:47 am

If I had to place the Top 15 ranked law schools into tiers:

Columbia, Chicago, Harvard, Stanford & Yale would be in the top tier.

Berkeley, Michigan, Northwestern & NYU would comprise the second tier.

Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, Penn, Texas, UCLA & Virginia in the third tier.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby Mike12188 » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:59 am

CanadianWolf wrote:If I had to place the Top 15 ranked law schools into tiers:

Columbia, Harvard, Stanford & Yale would be in the top tier.

Chicago, Penn, Michigan,Virginia & NYU would comprise the second tier.

Berkley, Cornell, Duke, Georgetown, Northwestern,Texas, UCLA in the third tier.


FTFY

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:28 pm

If I were to rate based on employment opportunities, then both NYU & Northwestern would be placed in the top tier based on actual results as revealed in the NLJ 250 where Northwestern & Columbia topped the list.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby IAFG » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:30 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:If I were to rate based on employment opportunities, then both NYU & Northwestern would be placed in the top tier based on actual results as revealed in the NLJ 250 where Northwestern & Columbia topped the list.

somewhere on TLS is NLJ stats + clerkships that is probably more valid in comparing placement power

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:32 pm

I agree, but my top tier would expand, not contract, if that were the qualifying consideration.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:47 pm

If the Top 15 USNews ranked law schools were ranked by class section size:

1) Yale 58
2) Stanford 60
3) Northwestern 65
4) Duke 68
5) Virginia 72
6) Harvard 80
6) UCLA 80

8) Penn 85
9) NYU 89
10) Berkeley 90
11) Michigan 91
12) Chicago 93
13) Columbia 95
14) Cornell 99
14) Texas 99
16) Georgetown 117

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby clintonius » Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:10 pm

deadhipsters wrote:
Tsispilos wrote:these are the getting-laid tiers within the T14 (assuming target audience is average college graduate):

harvard





yale, stanford









columbia, cornell (rest of the ivies)

penn (nobody's really sure whether it's an ivy or a state school)



georgetown (it seems more frequently mentioned in law related movies than any other non-Harvard law school)

NYU (if it's in NYC it must be really cool)

duke (assuming you're not a lacrosse player)








northwestern






all the ones that begin with "university of," and aren't ivies.




Duke should be at the top of this list for lacrosse players looking for lay prestige.

Ohhh, false rape accusations. Fantastic.

lay prestige. Get it!?

Also, and this coming from an NYU student: NYU has no place on this list. Nobody's heard of it (except, y'know, hiring partners at all the best firms. But we're dealing with the layman here). And Georgetown is probably juuuuust barely below Harvard. The name fairly oozes prestige. Duke would be right below them, tied with Michigan.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby ViP » Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:48 am

im_blue wrote:
Rand M. wrote:
prezidentv8 wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:9) UC-Irvine


Wow I knew Irvine found some solid faculty, but...wow.


A lot of it is Erwin Chemerinsky.

+1. And their rank will certainly drop as they hire more faculty which dilutes their score.


That's what people said last year when Leiter ranked UCI 10th in the country in faculty impact.

...then UCI hired more faculty and moved to the 9th spot. The university has given them the green light to match any offer for any professor in the country.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby anyuta » Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:15 am

I suck at life.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby AreJay711 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:16 pm

HY
S
CCN
BPM
VDNCG

Mostly by preference and not by any consistent standard. Stanford is in it's own class in my mind. GULC actually has the most job offers per graduate of any school and Cornell is very competitive in NYC which is why i don't put them under UVA Duke and NW, it just depends what your looking for.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby clintonius » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:12 am

AreJay711 wrote:GULC actually has the most job offers per graduate of any school

...

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby D. H2Oman » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:20 am

YHS
CC
NMVPNDC
Texas, Vandy, UCLA
GULC
Wustl, USC

Gap


Berkeley

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby flyingpanda » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:47 am

D. H2Oman wrote:YHS
CC
NMVPNDC
Texas, Vandy, UCLA
GULC
Wustl, USC

Gap


Berkeley


Blatant anti-GULC trolling.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:54 am

YHSEmory

CCN

MVPB

DNCGV

UCLA/Texas

GWU/WUSTL

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby thexfactor » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:58 pm

Y
HS
-
-
CCN
BPMV
DNC
G
UCLA, TEJAS, USC, VANDY
-
-
WUSTL/GW/BU/BC/ND/Fordham
Emory/Hastings/Davis/UIUC
WM/WL/UNC
Minn/Iowa/Wis/Indiana/UW/BAMA/WF/OSU
UF/Case/Tulane/Carbozo/American/Cinci/Maryland/SMU/Loyola/Uconn/villanova/Brookyln/Baylor/Houston/Upitt
dont want to do any more.....

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby motiontodismiss » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:00 am

HY
S
CCN
MVPND
Vand
CGB
TX
USC
UCLA
BU/BC/GW/Fordham
Wash U/ND/IL
The rest

My dislike of California sends California schools to the bottom of their respective tiers.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby hiro86 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:36 am

rayiner wrote:In terms of employment, which is the only thing that matters:

YS
H
CN
C
VPDN
BMCG

I feel like you have become a major anti-chicago troll.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby Mike12188 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:39 am

hiro86 wrote:
rayiner wrote:In terms of employment, which is the only thing that matters:

YS
H
CN
C
VPDN
BMCG

I feel like you have become a major anti-chicago troll.


I haven't been following his other posts, but I would def. agree with these rankings.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby hiro86 » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:55 am

Mike12188 wrote:
hiro86 wrote:
rayiner wrote:In terms of employment, which is the only thing that matters:

YS
H
CN
C
VPDN
BMCG

I feel like you have become a major anti-chicago troll.


I haven't been following his other posts, but I would def. agree with these rankings.

Based on? Chicago may be struggling, but it's hard to know how much since almost all the students use at least some bids on the Chicago market. Only 20-25% of any U of C class ends up in NYC, which is the easiest large market to get biglaw in. Even the people who do bid NYC at U of C rarely bid only NYC. Also, it appears that NYC firms may be more willing to give callbacks this year to NYU and Columbia students, but a lot of these students have had horrible offer to callback ratios. So, some of the early callback threads may have been misleading in terms of the success of NYU and Columbia students.

Summary: It is really hard to tell how schools compare in terms of placement, especially when the schools have different target markets.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby im_blue » Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:02 am

hiro86 wrote:
Mike12188 wrote:
hiro86 wrote:
rayiner wrote:In terms of employment, which is the only thing that matters:

YS
H
CN
C
VPDN
BMCG

I feel like you have become a major anti-chicago troll.


I haven't been following his other posts, but I would def. agree with these rankings.

Based on? Chicago may be struggling, but it's hard to know how much since almost all the students use at least some bids on the Chicago market. Only 20-25% of any U of C class ends up in NYC, which is the easiest large market to get biglaw in. Even the people who do bid NYC at U of C rarely bid only NYC. Also, it appears that NYC firms may be more willing to give callbacks this year to NYU and Columbia students, but a lot of these students have had horrible offer to callback ratios. So, some of the early callback threads may have been misleading in terms of the success of NYU and Columbia students.

Summary: It is really hard to tell how schools compare in terms of placement, especially when the schools have different target markets.

Based on the percentage of the class that landed an OCI job.

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Re: Just for fun - your mini tiers

Postby Blindmelon » Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:33 pm

motiontodismiss wrote:Y
HS
CCN
MVP
NDB
C/G/Vand/TX/UCLA
USC/BU/BC/GW/Fordham
WUSTL/ND/IL
The rest



I almost agree with you - changed a little.




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