ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby Fenris » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:29 pm

Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby 270910 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:30 pm

Fenris wrote:Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?


Penn.

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Postby Brick_Tamlin » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:39 pm

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby 270910 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:42 pm

Brick_Tamlin wrote:
disco_barred wrote:
Fenris wrote:Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?


Penn.


Its Boalt, UVa, Mich., and Penn. That's one reason they call it MVPB - they're the 4 public T14s.


huh, I'd never thought of that before - but I guess it makes sense.

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby d34d9823 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:44 pm

disco_barred wrote:
Brick_Tamlin wrote:
disco_barred wrote:
Fenris wrote:Wait--how many public Law Schools are in the T14. I don't have the ranking memorized but there's Boalt, UVA, and Mich right? Are there any others?


Penn.


Its Boalt, UVa, Mich., and Penn. That's one reason they call it MVPB - they're the 4 public T14s.


huh, I'd never thought of that before - but I guess it makes sense.

That really does make a lot of sense!

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Postby Brick_Tamlin » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:01 pm

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby 270910 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:07 pm

Brick_Tamlin wrote:In case this needs to continue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania

Quote: "This article is about the Philadelphia-based public university, colloquially referred to as "Penn". For the university located in State College, Pennsylvania, and colloquially known as "Penn State", see Pennsylvania State University."


Thanks for the link!

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby BeautifulSW » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:08 pm

I've never been involved with biglaw but the article is consistant with my experiences in small law and public sector hiring. Class rank matters everywhere I've ever worked. The school, not so much. We don't get many HYS grads here but we do get a regular trickle of other T14ers, places like Georgetown.

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby RVP11 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:45 pm

disco_barred wrote:
Brick_Tamlin wrote:In case this needs to continue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Pennsylvania

Quote: "This article is about the Philadelphia-based public university, colloquially referred to as "Penn". For the university located in State College, Pennsylvania, and colloquially known as "Penn State", see Pennsylvania State University."


Thanks for the link!


When people talk about the Penn that's in the T14 they're talking about Penn State - Philly, though. Very prestigious public school.

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby d34d9823 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:09 pm

Isn't Yale a public school? I thought Y.A.L.E. was the greek to amharic to english transliteration of U.C.N.H., which stands for University of Connecticut, New Haven, of course.

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby czelede » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:11 pm

d34dluk3 wrote:Isn't Yale a public school? I thought Y.A.L.E. was the greek to amharic to english transliteration of U.C.N.H., which stands for University of Connecticut, New Haven, of course.


Let's not forget New York's great state school NYU.

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby Duralex » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:11 pm

psst...read a page back, czelede.

d34dluk3 wrote:
bk1 wrote:
d34dluk3 wrote:Also, does the study really mean much for T14? The only public schools in the T14 are NYU, Michigan, Virginia, and Boalt.

Hehe.

Ugh that always trips me up. How can a private school have a name like that?


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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby mec30 » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:14 pm

nealric wrote:The biggest issue I see with the study is that they only included public schools- so they basically excluded most of the truly elite schools.


I read this article and I'm sure they included many elite schools. I remember it making reference to HYS and Columbia specifically. I think the ABA blurb may be wrong.

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Re: ABA Journal on UCLA Study: LS Grades > Elite School (& more)

Postby Duralex » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:35 pm

The AJD study itself does:

Nearly every accredited and unaccredited law school in the nation is represented in the AJD sample — a total of some 200 schools.
-- from the initial NALP AJD Report (which is pretty good reading.)

Here's the link to the AJD publications page, which includes full text PDFs of a number of follow-on papers, addenda and monographs for those who are interested.


The 2007 papers (which taken together appear to represent a group effort at Southwestern ), as a sample:
Dinovitzer, Ronit and Bryant G. Garth. (2007). "Lawyer Satisfaction in the Process of Structuring Legal Careers.” Law and Society Review 41: 1-50. pdf **
Sterling, Joyce, Ronit Dinovitzer, and Bryant G. Garth. (2007). "The Changing Social Role of Urban Law Schools.” Southwestern University Law Review 36: 389-432. pdf
Wilkins, David, Ronit Dinovitzer, and Rishi Batra. (2007). "Urban Law School Graduates In Large Law Firms." Southwestern University Law Review 36: 433-507. pdf


So if you don't find the UCLA paper persuasive there are a number of other peoples' takes on the AJD data there to have a look at.




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