pohboydomer wrote:IndecisiveTransfer wrote:Hey Guys,
I'm a recent transfer trying to decide between UC Davis and Notre Dame. They are comparably ranked (28 and 22) but are also clearly very different. I am not religious, and pretty liberal, so the fact that ND is jesuit raises a large red flag in my mind. I have no problem having catholic friends, but i have been told that some professors are priests, some prayers may be said in class, every dorm has a priest, and every building has its own chapel At the same time it is an amazing school that does emphasize morality in the law and does place graduates nationally (even if most are in the midwest).
UCD matches my personality well and I love the campus and the people. However it is a young law school coming up and is not as well established - not many alumni work outside california. I would really like to choose Davis - my only hesitancy being job placement. I am not entirely decided where I would like to live long term but it is between New York and San Francisco. ND provides both options while UCD provides only one really.
Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated!!
First, ND isn't Jesuit. It's run by the Congregation of the Holy Cross. Georgetown and Boston College are run by Jesuits.
Second, why would a religious institution "raise a large red flag in [your] mind"? If you have a problem with the fact that two or three professors might also be priests, or that the undergraduates live in dormitories (where you won't live) with a priest or nun in the same building and a chapel, then it sounds like off the top that you definitely have a "problem" with Catholics.
Notre Dame is a Catholic school. If you can't get over the fact that some people might choose to express their Catholic faith publicly and prefer an environment where non-religion stifles the school, go for it.
But for virtually all non-Catholics at ND (based upon your post, you might end up being the exception), it's never been an issue. You let the 10-second prayer at the start of a few professors' class roll past. You won't even know when or where weekly mass is. You will never set foot in the chapel in the law school. You just live your life and accept that there might be people of faith taking their faith seriously around you.
As for Davis, I can't say a whole lot, but the people who think that 1965 doesn't really matter aren't exactly right. ND has a ton of lay prestige (which, surprisingly, can matter), it has long roots for those who didn't attend ND or create its alumni base, and the prestigious undergrad also helps with the alumni network. I can't say what the relative strengths are with Davis. But football is obviously a strength with ND--it's a great way to get away on the weekends with campus friends.
Finally, as for job placement, ND sends 20-30 people each year back to California, which is big for a class size of only 180. Davis, meanwhile, keeps virtually everyone in-state. The last bar data said the split was something like 40-50 to Illinois, 20-30 to California, 20-30 to New York, and a bunch of people all over the country. So if you want geographic diversity, then hands down it's Notre Dame.
I'll let the Davis defenders speak up, because I don't really have anything negative to say about them, but I can't say a whole lot other than "good in California."
They say prayer at the begining of class at ND? No profs at BC or Georgetown do this. I have no problem going to a catholic school, even a non-Jesuit one, but saying prayer before class is a bit much.