Is paying sticker at MVPB really stupid? Forum

[09042014]

This cycles UVA trolls were much less impressive.

[rklafehn]

I would pay sticker for UPenn and up.

I would take money at Vanderbilt / BU over no money from Cornell or GULC.

Just my opinion...

[Kohinoor]

This cycles UVA trolls were much less impressive.

We took a hit when 90% of them were waitlisted indefinitely.

[09042014]

This cycles UVA trolls were much less impressive.

We took a hit when 90% of them were waitlisted indefinitely.

Hahaha.

[keg411]

whats michigan's "home" market? i always thought they placed most of their students to NY. so doesnt that make NYU better for placement in NY than Michigan?

And isn't Penn's "home" market NYC as well, or is it Philly?

I'd say Penn's "home" market is Philly and Michigan's is Chicago. But "home" market is based on distance, not necessarily placement, at least in terms of the national schools. I'd probably say most of the T14 have the heaviest placement in NYC except for Berkeley (though I don't have the exact numbers in front of me).

[Veyron]

whats michigan's "home" market? i always thought they placed most of their students to NY. so doesnt that make NYU better for placement in NY than Michigan?

And isn't Penn's "home" market NYC as well, or is it Philly?

I'd say Penn's "home" market is Philly and Michigan's is Chicago. But "home" market is based on distance, not necessarily placement, at least in terms of the national schools. I'd probably say most of the T14 have the heaviest placement in NYC except for Berkeley (though I don't have the exact numbers in front of me).

Stttanford?

[keg411]

whats michigan's "home" market? i always thought they placed most of their students to NY. so doesnt that make NYU better for placement in NY than Michigan?

And isn't Penn's "home" market NYC as well, or is it Philly?

I'd say Penn's "home" market is Philly and Michigan's is Chicago. But "home" market is based on distance, not necessarily placement, at least in terms of the national schools. I'd probably say most of the T14 have the heaviest placement in NYC except for Berkeley (though I don't have the exact numbers in front of me).

Stttanford?

I was thinking more of CCNMVPBDCNG and only in terms of BigLaw.
YHS are a different animal.

Or I just forgot about Stanford when I typed this...

[im_blue]

whats michigan's "home" market? i always thought they placed most of their students to NY. so doesnt that make NYU better for placement in NY than Michigan?

And isn't Penn's "home" market NYC as well, or is it Philly?

I'd say Penn's "home" market is Philly and Michigan's is Chicago. But "home" market is based on distance, not necessarily placement, at least in terms of the national schools. I'd probably say most of the T14 have the heaviest placement in NYC except for Berkeley (though I don't have the exact numbers in front of me).

Correct - NYC is the largest market for Columbia, NYU, Michigan, Penn, Duke, and Cornell. Not so for Chicago (35% Midwest, 19% NYC), UVA (29% DC, 27% NYC), Berkeley (72% West, 11% NYC), NU (50% Midwest, 30% East), and GULC (42% DC, 28% NYC).

[Voyager]

Got this quote from another thread:

If you went to the OCIP meetings/presentations, career services said that 30% of 1Ls got a job at OCIP last year. They said to expect about 40-45% of the class getting a job at OCIP this year. In other words, it is not looking good for someone with mostly Ps, since you are probably in the bottom 1/3 of your class.

Holy crap. So only the top 40% of the class AT BEST has a shot at a good salary? Look, I am sorry, but the price of law school (tuition+lost income for 3 years+stress) is NOT justified by those odds. If you miss that boat you will be either unemployed or making something in the $50k range. You could make that starting out in retail management.

[badwithpseudonyms]

Correct - NYC is the largest market for Columbia, NYU, Michigan, Penn, Duke, and Cornell. Not so for Chicago (35% Midwest, 19% NYC), UVA (29% DC, 27% NYC), Berkeley (72% West, 11% NYC), NU (50% Midwest, 30% East), and GULC (42% DC, 28% NYC).

Look at that balance! Like a well diversified portfolio!

/UVA trolling to impress DF

[Kurama]

Correct - NYC is the largest market for Columbia, NYU, Michigan, Penn, Duke, and Cornell. Not so for Chicago (35% Midwest, 19% NYC), UVA (29% DC, 27% NYC), Berkeley (72% West, 11% NYC), NU (50% Midwest, 30% East), and GULC (42% DC, 28% NYC).

Look at that balance! Like a well diversified portfolio!

/UVA trolling to impress DF

How does GULC get away with that split and still come out with their employment numbers? If they are sending 42 percent of their biglaw people to the most selective market in the nation and only 11 to the least selective one, when you put things into perspective their employment numbers aren't all that bad. If there students would aim for NYC with the frequency of schools like NYU, Penn, and Cornell their numbers might look a decent bit better.

[Patriot1208]

Got this quote from another thread:

If you went to the OCIP meetings/presentations, career services said that 30% of 1Ls got a job at OCIP last year. They said to expect about 40-45% of the class getting a job at OCIP this year. In other words, it is not looking good for someone with mostly Ps, since you are probably in the bottom 1/3 of your class.

Holy crap. So only the top 40% of the class AT BEST has a shot at a good salary? Look, I am sorry, but the price of law school (tuition+lost income for 3 years+stress) is NOT justified by those odds. If you miss that boat you will be either unemployed or making something in the $50k range. You could make that starting out in retail management.

This is 1L OCIP. Not 2L. Hows your reading comp? Its already been established that many 1L's do not get good jobs. 2L is what matters.

[Voyager]

Got this quote from another thread:

If you went to the OCIP meetings/presentations, career services said that 30% of 1Ls got a job at OCIP last year. They said to expect about 40-45% of the class getting a job at OCIP this year. In other words, it is not looking good for someone with mostly Ps, since you are probably in the bottom 1/3 of your class.

Holy crap. So only the top 40% of the class AT BEST has a shot at a good salary? Look, I am sorry, but the price of law school (tuition+lost income for 3 years+stress) is NOT justified by those odds. If you miss that boat you will be either unemployed or making something in the $50k range. You could make that starting out in retail management.

This is 1L OCIP. Not 2L. Hows your reading comp? Its already been established that many 1L's do not get good jobs. 2L is what matters.

....

Look, read the entire thread. Here it is: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 8&start=25

The conversation is about rising 2Ls worrying about the upcoming OCI for summer jobs for the summer of 2011... which is why they are posting in June and not in January.

Also comments about "below-median getting V100" in the past cannot be referring to jobs for 1L summer. Or the comment on the first page where the commenter is discussing last year's grades and worrying about where to bid.

If this was for 1L summer jobs... well... there would not be a thread right now.

Also, this comment: "It was my understanding that at schools in the Boalt range, 50% of students or so got SAs last year." That is referring to 2L summer positions. That poster is told that "Boalt placed, on average, around 55% into biglaw during the boom years of 2005/2006. There's no way it's placing the same amount now."

Who even cares about 1L OCI? Your 1L summer job means nothing. RISING 2Ls stressing in June about OCI is not about worrying for next year's 1L's interview prospects for January OCI.

Read the thread, calm down and cool the juvenile aggression.

[Kohinoor]

Got this quote from another thread:

If you went to the OCIP meetings/presentations, career services said that 30% of 1Ls got a job at OCIP last year. They said to expect about 40-45% of the class getting a job at OCIP this year. In other words, it is not looking good for someone with mostly Ps, since you are probably in the bottom 1/3 of your class.

Holy crap. So only the top 40% of the class AT BEST has a shot at a good salary? Look, I am sorry, but the price of law school (tuition+lost income for 3 years+stress) is NOT justified by those odds. If you miss that boat you will be either unemployed or making something in the $50k range. You could make that starting out in retail management.

This is 1L OCIP. Not 2L. Hows your reading comp? Its already been established that many 1L's do not get good jobs. 2L is what matters.

....

Look, read the entire thread. Here it is: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 8&start=25

The conversation is about rising 2Ls worrying about the upcoming OCI for summer jobs for the summer of 2011... which is why they are posting in June and not in January.

Also comments about "below-median getting V100" in the past cannot be referring to jobs for 1L summer. Or the comment on the first page where the commenter is discussing last year's grades and worrying about where to bid.

If this was for 1L summer jobs... well... there would not be a thread right now.

Also, this comment: "It was my understanding that at schools in the Boalt range, 50% of students or so got SAs last year." That is referring to 2L summer positions. That poster is told that "Boalt placed, on average, around 55% into biglaw during the boom years of 2005/2006. There's no way it's placing the same amount now."

Who even cares about 1L OCI? Your 1L summer job means nothing. RISING 2Ls stressing in June about OCI is not about worrying for next year's 1L's interview prospects for January OCI.

Read the thread, calm down and cool the juvenile aggression.

Not to split hairs, but I'm pretty sure Boalt killed those numbers in 05-06.

[olanderp]

Got this quote from another thread:

If you went to the OCIP meetings/presentations, career services said that 30% of 1Ls got a job at OCIP last year. They said to expect about 40-45% of the class getting a job at OCIP this year. In other words, it is not looking good for someone with mostly Ps, since you are probably in the bottom 1/3 of your class.

Holy crap. So only the top 40% of the class AT BEST has a shot at a good salary? Look, I am sorry, but the price of law school (tuition+lost income for 3 years+stress) is NOT justified by those odds. If you miss that boat you will be either unemployed or making something in the $50k range. You could make that starting out in retail management.

This is 1L OCIP. Not 2L. Hows your reading comp? Its already been established that many 1L's do not get good jobs. 2L is what matters.

There is no such thing as 1L OCIP/OGI/OCI.

That conversation pertains to last year's 2L OCI at Boalt. In other words, Boalt placed 30% last year at 2L OCI. This year, they are predicting 40%. On TLS, people worry about 2L placement, not 1L placement, because it actually matters.

[Voyager]

That is a rough scene. Good luck to all involved. Imagine being in the 55th percentile: there you are, top half of one of the top law schools in the country and forced to take a salary upon graduation that you could have earned as an assistant manager of a big box retail store.

And you can't really pursue California DA positions because the state economy is hosed AND those offices require you to already be admitted to the bar.

How difficult is it to get a state clerkship out of Boalt? (I'm assuming that 55th percentile and below is not going to be competitive for a Federal clerkship).

[im_blue]

Correct - NYC is the largest market for Columbia, NYU, Michigan, Penn, Duke, and Cornell. Not so for Chicago (35% Midwest, 19% NYC), UVA (29% DC, 27% NYC), Berkeley (72% West, 11% NYC), NU (50% Midwest, 30% East), and GULC (42% DC, 28% NYC).

Look at that balance! Like a well diversified portfolio!

/UVA trolling to impress DF

How does GULC get away with that split and still come out with their employment numbers? If they are sending 42 percent of their biglaw people to the most selective market in the nation and only 11 to the least selective one, when you put things into perspective their employment numbers aren't all that bad. If there students would aim for NYC with the frequency of schools like NYU, Penn, and Cornell their numbers might look a decent bit better.

These are total employment percentages, not biglaw. For all we know, 10-20% out of that 42% is doing doc review in DC.

[Apple Tree]

If your family is rich and is willing to pay for your school (or other similar situation), no. If not, then it's not the smartest thing to do ITE.

[itsirtou]

I'm paying sticker because I really want a prestigious public interest job in DC, so I'm banking on a) the school helping me get to that point and b) LRAP/IBR.

Of course, I'm rapidly becoming depressed about paying sticker, so partly I'm trying to pump myself up about attending so that I won't freak out, withdraw, and live at my parent's house for the next ten years or something.

[doomed123]

I'm paying sticker because I really want a prestigious public interest job in DC, so I'm banking on a) the school helping me get to that point and b) LRAP/IBR.

Of course, I'm rapidly becoming depressed about paying sticker, so partly I'm trying to pump myself up about attending so that I won't freak out, withdraw, and live at my parent's house for the next ten years or something.

+1 all around.

Except that I'm looking at DNCG.