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<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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Are you a long-term scamblog troll?
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Telling people to be electricians right now isn't a good plan. The construction sector the economy is pwnd worse than law at the moment.Voyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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I don't think there are very many professions that are pwned worse than lawyers right now for all of the reasons listed above.Desert Fox wrote:Telling people to be electricians right now isn't a good plan. The construction sector the economy is pwnd worse than law at the moment.Voyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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We should just become plumbers.
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lolVoyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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Evasion: a lawyerly technique.Voyager wrote:I don't think there are very many professions that are pwned worse than lawyers right now for all of the reasons listed above.Desert Fox wrote:Telling people to be electricians right now isn't a good plan. The construction sector the economy is pwnd worse than law at the moment.Voyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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You must be joking....practically every realistically attainable profession has been decimated in this economy (outside of medicine and the funeral home business). Financial services and automobile related fields are two that come to mind.Voyager wrote:I don't think there are very many professions that are pwned worse than lawyers right now for all of the reasons listed above.Desert Fox wrote:Telling people to be electricians right now isn't a good plan. The construction sector the economy is pwnd worse than law at the moment.Voyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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1) I'm a girl, not a guy. 2) Depression and alcoholism ARE cool.Voyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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I don't know, every time someone gets sued or has legal trouble, their lawyer is their best friend (the host is only too happy to have the parasite around). More/better paying shitlaw jobs=more biglaw jobs for the rest of us. We just have to write the laws such that it maximizes the instances in which people can get sued or get into legal trouble (=more complicated and longer).Voyager wrote:Oh for sure. PhD in English or history is shit. Truly awful experience while you are doing it and shitty jobs afterwards.motiontodismiss wrote:Last I checked, that number is 45,000, for ~30,000 new lawyer jobs each year (maybe less ITE). However that doesn't alter the veracity of your statement.Voyager wrote:
Law is one of the great American protected industries and, like all such industries, is running into and causing serious problems because of it. There are too many lawyers. Way way way too many. 90,000 new lawyers graduate EVERY YEAR. It is absurd.
The good thing is that the legal profession is self-sustaining. It creates its own demand. You may think they're parasites, but so what.
The prospects are definitely better than academia which seems to be the other option for someone with a BA in English.
And the legal profession is no longer self sustaining. There is not enough food left for the parasites. Host death.
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other industries are starting to pick up much faster than the legal field. And I think when you add in the huge debt for a law degree and the ridiculous glut of attorneys that the legal field is in a special land of fucked.Kurama wrote:[
You must be joking....practically every realistically attainable profession has been decimated in this economy (outside of medicine and the funeral home business). Financial services and automobile related fields are two that come to mind.
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Voyager's numbers are wrong.
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Voyager wrote:sure. of course, 2 years of nursing school is substantially cheaper than law school. Also, the hours are HALF and the pay is very similar.ze2151 wrote:luckily my wife has an amazing job, not unlike the ones you described earlier. it sucks for people who went into it thinking there'd definitely be jobs waiting for them when they finished (sound familiar?). But if they do a little legwork and lower their expectations a little, maybe move to an underserved area or back home, they can get jobs.Voyager wrote:that sucks. Of course, I'd still think going to nursing school is much much better than going to 190 of the 200 American law schools.ze2151 wrote:check yourself with that nursing argument. my wife is a nurse. when she graduated (2008) all but 1 nurse in her class had a job lined up. the very next year, 50% of the class didn't have jobs at graduation. just because hospitals have nursing shortages doesn't mean they're hiring nurses. you need experience to get a job right now.
So I hear you, but I still think being a nurse is a better deal... except for the poo.
i'm not even talking about 2 year nursing program people who get their RN. My wife is a BSN, and so are her friends that had such trouble. And remember, nurses get paid hourly and are routinely understaffed. During tough times of year, she'll work somewhere like 60 hours a week. Anyway /thread derail about nursing.
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This thread is stupid. Sure below median at T7-14 is not getting biglaw anymore but the jobs they can get are still better than what they could do with their BA in Dead Languages. Yeah debt sucks, so do PI for 10 years and get it forgiven. Yeah you won't ever make models and bottles money, but if you're good you can make something (my dad makes $250k at an NGO). And if you're not then you'll have to content yourself with mediocrity, which again I'd better than what you could do otherwise.
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I understand that you have a job that you (ostensibly) are happy with, but I cannot help but feel that your vitriolic hatred of the legal profession is related to your recommendation not to attend law school - not just a simple reading of the economic viability. If you hate being a lawyer, don't be one. There are people who do enjoy it though. (And are not alcoholics or depressed).Voyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
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heh. you think what I wrote was "vitriolic"? Most lawyers hate their work and are unhappy. Depression, alcoholism and divorce are hallmarks of the profession. There are many articles/studies on the subject.djgoldbe wrote:I understand that you have a job that you (ostensibly) are happy with, but I cannot help but feel that your vitriolic hatred of the legal profession is related to your recommendation not to attend law school - not just a simple reading of the economic viability. If you hate being a lawyer, don't be one. There are people who do enjoy it though. (And are not alcoholics or depressed).Voyager wrote:yeah? you know a lot about being a lawyer? you think you'll be the one guy to actually like it? you won't fall into the massive group of lawyers that suffers from depression and alcoholism? cool.danidancer wrote:<-- Paying near sticker at Cornell. Why? Because I don't WANT to be an electrician. I WANT to be a lawyer.
Look, I'm just pointing out that law school is currently a bad deal. When my class applied in 2006 it looked pretty sweet due to the sure bet of making a huge pay check. That sure bet seems to have gone away.
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Pure speculation
Voyager = that guy with great grades at a top school that came to interviews with snot on his sleeves and without taking a shower. Then went on to say things like "umm you know being a lawyer means making money right? Then I can finally get a girlfriend." and "I think master chief is one of my greatest inspirations, he was able to overcome all odds.". And then wonders why people with way worse grades than him got good jobs.
Voyager = that guy with great grades at a top school that came to interviews with snot on his sleeves and without taking a shower. Then went on to say things like "umm you know being a lawyer means making money right? Then I can finally get a girlfriend." and "I think master chief is one of my greatest inspirations, he was able to overcome all odds.". And then wonders why people with way worse grades than him got good jobs.
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Voyager wrote:
heh. you think what I wrote was "vitriolic"? Most lawyers hate their work and are unhappy. Depression, alcoholism and divorce are hallmarks of the profession. There are many articles/studies on the subject.
Look, I'm just pointing out that law school is currently a bad deal. When my class applied in 2006 it looked pretty sweet due to the sure bet of making a huge pay check. That sure bet seems to have gone away.
Except that isn't 'just' what you are saying. If all you said was that law school is a bad deal, I don't think many would disagree. When you say that its a profession that is parasitic and without social value and that lawyers are miserable and unhappy people, thats quite another.
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Voyager, what happened to you man? I was just reading this thread http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=117187 and you were damn near inspiring in it. But now you are a gloomy bastard, even though you might be right
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I hope not but in my paranoia I am networking like a motherfucker and planning to gun my ass off.
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... Mistaken identity?pocket herc wrote:Voyager, what happened to you man? I was just reading this thread http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=117187 and you were damn near inspiring in it. But now you are a gloomy bastard, even though you might be right
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Networking is good.Veyron wrote:I hope not but in my paranoia I am networking like a motherfucker and planning to gun my ass off.
Re: gunning, lot's of people gun and still get bad grades.
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this, like all "is paying sticker at xxxxxx dumb" threads, is completely dependent upon relative options.
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Sure, but I'm approaching the job serach with a sense of having a gun to my head, I'll do everything that can't hurt and MIGHT help.rayiner wrote:Networking is good.Veyron wrote:I hope not but in my paranoia I am networking like a motherfucker and planning to gun my ass off.
Re: gunning, lot's of people gun and still get bad grades.
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
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