Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

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Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby ArtVandelay » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:59 pm

WUSTL (19), UIUC (21), ND (22), UM (22), Iowa (26), IUB (27), UW (28), and OSU (34) are the midwest schools in this range. In the top 20, however, the only midwest schools are Chicago (5), Michigan (9), and NW (11). Between 35 and 80, the only midwest schools are Case (56), UC (56), and Kansas (67).

Any theories on why the midwest dominates the USNWR ~20s and is so underrepresented elsewhere?

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby imbored25 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:22 am

im interested in knowing why this, if for any reason, is true as well, but so far i guess no one knows

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby sundance95 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:33 am

Chicago? Northwestern?


EDIT: I now see this is listed in OP, so I wonder what OP's point is. Not trying to be rude, just seems like CN are a decent representation in T14 given the obvious population disadvantage the Midwest has against the West and East Coasts. Seems like the South has a much bigger beef, with UVA as the only T14 in what some might term the South; those in Mississippi, Georgia, etc, would certainly disagree with that claim, to boot.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby ausoccer19 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:39 am

South also has Duke in the T14

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby drake » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:23 am

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby Hopefullawstudent » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:37 am

drake wrote:Vanderbilt (15) (17)


FTFY.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby PLATONiC » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:40 am

The East and West Coasts have a lot of good schools.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby im_blue » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:03 am

The Midwestern states have 66 million of the 307 million Americans (21%) according to Wiki. Chicago, Michigan, and NU have 833 of the 4,447 1Ls in the T14 (19%). Seems like their T14 representation is about right.

In comparison, the East Coast states are definitely overrepresented in the T14, with 18% of the U.S. population but 2,914 of the 4,447 1Ls (66%).

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:38 am

In terms of legal market, couldn't it be argued that DC is underrepresented (at least in comparison to NYC). NYC has Columbia, NYU, and Fordham while DC just has GULC and GW...though UVA, W&M, and W&L are not too far away.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby im_blue » Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:21 am

Richie Tenenbaum wrote:In terms of legal market, couldn't it be argued that DC is underrepresented (at least in comparison to NYC). NYC has Columbia, NYU, and Fordham while DC just has GULC and GW...though UVA, W&M, and W&L are not too far away.

Not really. CLS/NYU/Fordham have ~1,330 students per class compared to GULC/GW's ~1,100, and DC is a smaller market than NYC.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby 20160810 » Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:33 am

A lot of the West Coast schools are newer (and therefore T2/3/4), a lot of the East Coast schools aren't ever leaving the top-14 and don't leave much room for good Midwestern schools to improve.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby ScaredWorkedBored » Sat Jun 19, 2010 2:26 pm

ArtVandelay wrote:WUSTL (19), UIUC (21), ND (22), UM (22), Iowa (26), IUB (27), UW (28), and OSU (34) are the midwest schools in this range. In the top 20, however, the only midwest schools are Chicago (5), Michigan (9), and NW (11). Between 35 and 80, the only midwest schools are Case (56), UC (56), and Kansas (67).

Any theories on why the midwest dominates the USNWR ~20s and is so underrepresented elsewhere?


Public Ivy tier follows Ivy tier. Not much more to see here. The Big 10 schools are pretty much universally high quality, squeeze out most private education competition in their states, and get somewhat sandbagged by US News for being public. The private schools in the Midwest are either really, really elite or distinctly second tier.

It's a cultural thing as much as anything. This even came up in the football conference expansion. Midwest luvs its land grantz.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby Ty Webb » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:07 am

ArtVandelay wrote:WUSTL (19)
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In the top 20, however, the only midwest schools are Chicago (5), Michigan (9), and NW (11).



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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby AR75 » Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:54 pm

Hook airs?

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby theavrock » Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:02 pm

Ty Webb wrote:
ArtVandelay wrote:WUSTL (19)
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In the top 20, however, the only midwest schools are Chicago (5), Michigan (9), and NW (11).



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Amazing. That is all

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby motiontodismiss » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:48 am

Follow the money. East coasters have more of it.

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Re: Why are so many midwest schools ranked in the ~20s?

Postby Warhawk » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:10 pm

Note that most of those are Big Ten schools, which are pretty good across the board academically and have the resources to produce competitive programs. Just look at their rankings in other graduate programs, like engineering. Many are the best of the best in various fields.

Insofar as law goes, however, they tend to lack the cachet of Duke, Virginia, Chicago, etc. But there's really no reason to think that given time and effort schools like Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and so on couldn't make their way up to Michigan in the rankings.

(brief disclaimer: I go to Illinois)




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