UPENN vs. Fordham $$$ Forum

[A'nold]

Also, IBOS.

Bastard, I wanted dibs! I'd bet that OS would say Penn to though, after throwing in some good stuff about Fordham though.

[A'nold]

let fordham know that you got into penn. maybe they will give u a free ride.

Anyway t14>t50 in job placement in biglaw according to many legal blogs.

LULZ. I get to be in before something at least.

IBtheCallingFordhamATop50SchoolFallout.

[bk1]

Anyway t14>t50 in job placement in biglaw according to many legal blogs.

Thank you for bringing in this new and previously unheard of information.

[legalease9]

I can understand why you are having trouble making this decision. I think it is closer than most people are making it out to be. It depends what you want to do. If you are really debt averse, and have no desire to practice outside of NY, go Fordham. The lack of debt will give you more freedom in terms of what kind of job you take, as you don't need big money out the door to pay off suffocating debt. You won't feel forced into continuing [strike]big law[/strike] a stressful job if you find out you can't handle it/hate it. And you will eventually find a good job in New York with a Fordham degree.

Edit: By big law job I meant a stressful job. You probably won't get a big law job out of Fordham.


However, you will have far fewer job opportunities out of Fordham. ITE you may not be working at all out of Fordham (at graduation). Penn gives you national opportunities. And most important for OP, Penn is better than Fordham for New York employment. Period.

So the lack of debt would be the only reason to go Fordham. This is an incredibly important reason to consider it. However, you would be giving up so much in terms of job opportunities and overall status (even in New York), and for this reason I will join the chorus and vote Penn.

[Thomas Jefferson]

I much prefer the pace of life and the people in Phila.

You mean the people who intentionally vomit on 11 year old girls at baseball games?

[romothesavior]

So the lack of debt would be the only reason to go Fordham. This is an incredibly important reason to consider it. However, you would be giving up so much in terms of job opportunities and overall status (even in New York), and for this reason I will join the chorus and vote Penn.

The difference in debt would be about 50k, maybe 60k. The COL in NYC would offset some of the difference in that scholarship. The difference between a school like Penn and a school like Fordham is worth WAY more than $50k.

Also, IBOS.

Bastard, I wanted dibs! I'd bet that OS would say Penn to though, after throwing in some good stuff about Fordham though.

+1.

[MrSoOoFLy]

I much prefer the pace of life and the people in Phila.

You mean the people who intentionally vomit on 11 year old girls at baseball games?

[Blimpo12]

The difference in debt would be about 50k, maybe 60k. The COL in NYC would offset some of the difference in that scholarship. The difference between a school like Penn and a school like Fordham is worth WAY more than $50k.

Also, IBOS.

Actually the COL would be alot less because if I would go to Fordham I would be living at home.

[3 Stripes]

Go to UPenn.

[Blimpo12]

Go to UPenn.

Unfortunately its not that simple as there are a number of factors swaying me towards staying in New York even though Penn is a better school.

[3 Stripes]

Go to UPenn.

Unfortunately its not that simple as there are a number of factors swaying me towards staying in New York even though Penn is a better school.

Go to Fordham, then.

[Blimpo12]

Go to UPenn.

Unfortunately its not that simple as there are a number of factors swaying me towards staying in New York even though Penn is a better school.

Go to Fordham, then.

Thanx for being so helpful.

[3 Stripes]

Go to UPenn.

Unfortunately its not that simple as there are a number of factors swaying me towards staying in New York even though Penn is a better school.

Go to Fordham, then.

Thanx for being so helpful.

It seems to me that you already have your mind made up and just want reassurance. Unfortunately, this is TLS and everybody will try to sway you one way or another without any tangible information or statistics.

I will say this though, Fordham is highly underrated and places very well in New York, which has an astronomical cost of living. If you're getting money from there and you already have connections to NYC and people there, then....

[keg411]

It's only a little over 2 hours between NYC and Philly (and it might be less by Accela). Go to Penn. The distance is very very small and a very easy drive/train ride.

[Blimpo12]

It's only a little over 2 hours between NYC and Philly (and it might be less by Accela). Go to Penn. The distance is very very small and a very easy drive/train ride.

Thats actually something I never considered. Living in New York and commuting to Penn. Is that an unreasonable commute?

[keg411]

It's only a little over 2 hours between NYC and Philly (and it might be less by Accela). Go to Penn. The distance is very very small and a very easy drive/train ride.

Thats actually something I never considered. Living in New York and commuting to Penn. Is that an unreasonable commute?

It's not really "commutable" (I at least wouldn't attempt it 1L year); but it's very easy to get home on weekends/holidays.

[Dtackpat75]

It's only a little over 2 hours between NYC and Philly (and it might be less by Accela). Go to Penn. The distance is very very small and a very easy drive/train ride.

Thats actually something I never considered. Living in New York and commuting to Penn. Is that an unreasonable commute?

It's not really "commutable" (I at least wouldn't attempt it 1L year); but it's very easy to get home on weekends/holidays.

For the hours you are going to be putting in at school absolutely not. If you take the Acela (very expensive) it is still easily an hour and a half train ride, and that is only station to station.

[bk1]

For the hours you are going to be putting in at school absolutely not. If you take the Acela (very expensive) it is still easily an hour and a half train ride, and that is only station to station.

You're saying that 4 hours per week (of which can still be used to read) is going to impinge upon one's studies? These seems highly suspect considering people make time for various other activities that take more time per week and still do well during 1L, and many of these other activities do not allow one to do school work during it like the 4 hours of travel time does.

[lawyering]

For the hours you are going to be putting in at school absolutely not. If you take the Acela (very expensive) it is still easily an hour and a half train ride, and that is only station to station.

You're saying that 4 hours per week (of which can still be used to read) is going to impinge upon one's studies? These seems highly suspect considering people make time for various other activities that take more time per week and still do well during 1L, and many of these other activities do not allow one to do school work during it like the 4 hours of travel time does.

I think the "absolutely not" referred to commuting daily. That would mean a roundtrip commute of at LEAST 4 hours/DAY. That is totally impossible. But as said above, going home on weekends would be feasible.

[ZXCVBNM]

Blimpo here is the deal. I go to fordham. If you want BigLaw unless you plan on graduating in the top 10% at Fordham (good luck with that plan) then you should go to Penn. I'm not sure % Penn places these days in BigLaw but it has to be at least top third. If you are not set on BigLaw and just want a good job in NY....still go to Penn. It's really rough out there right now and you'll want Penn at the top of your resume. I guarantee it. I love Fordham by the way but the economy really sucks in case you haven't noticed and jobs are really scarce. On second thought, don't go to law school at all. Good luck! And now back to the writing competition.

[bk1]

For the hours you are going to be putting in at school absolutely not. If you take the Acela (very expensive) it is still easily an hour and a half train ride, and that is only station to station.

You're saying that 4 hours per week (of which can still be used to read) is going to impinge upon one's studies? These seems highly suspect considering people make time for various other activities that take more time per week and still do well during 1L, and many of these other activities do not allow one to do school work during it like the 4 hours of travel time does.

I think the "absolutely not" referred to commuting daily. That would mean a roundtrip commute of at LEAST 4 hours/DAY. That is totally impossible. But as said above, going home on weekends would be feasible.

Ah. I assumed Dtackpat was responding to the last quote he quoted. Obviously the 4 hrs/day would be ridiculous while weekends is an option.

[let/them/eat/cake]

And now back to the writing competition.

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sorry for the jack. i herd ur unsure of where to go. go to Penn dawg.

Edit: didn't know it would be such a large meme. just goes to know, you never know what will happen. and that's why you should go to Penn.

[James Bond]

I mean you ultimately have to decide based on personal preferences, but for me unless I had a full ride at fordham I wouldn't even think twice about taking Penn. I love NY it is much better than Philly but University City aint so bad and the only thing fordham has against Penn is location.

Ehhh - I prefer Philly to NYC. I've worked in both cities, and NYC can really take a toll on a person when you're spending 50+ hrs a week there for years on end. I much prefer the pace of life and the people in Phila.

Philadelphia is a shithole. Especially compared to NYC.

That being said, I'd go with Penn, although maybe not as "OMGWTFWHATELSEWOULDYOUDOMORON" as some other people in this thread.

[Dtackpat75]

For the hours you are going to be putting in at school absolutely not. If you take the Acela (very expensive) it is still easily an hour and a half train ride, and that is only station to station.

You're saying that 4 hours per week (of which can still be used to read) is going to impinge upon one's studies? These seems highly suspect considering people make time for various other activities that take more time per week and still do well during 1L, and many of these other activities do not allow one to do school work during it like the 4 hours of travel time does.

I think the "absolutely not" referred to commuting daily. That would mean a roundtrip commute of at LEAST 4 hours/DAY. That is totally impossible. But as said above, going home on weekends would be feasible.

Ah. I assumed Dtackpat was responding to the last quote he quoted. Obviously the 4 hrs/day would be ridiculous while weekends is an option.

Yea I meant for the daily commute. For a weekend thing not sooo bad.

[James Bond]

For the hours you are going to be putting in at school absolutely not. If you take the Acela (very expensive) it is still easily an hour and a half train ride, and that is only station to station.

You're saying that 4 hours per week (of which can still be used to read) is going to impinge upon one's studies? These seems highly suspect considering people make time for various other activities that take more time per week and still do well during 1L, and many of these other activities do not allow one to do school work during it like the 4 hours of travel time does.

I think the "absolutely not" referred to commuting daily. That would mean a roundtrip commute of at LEAST 4 hours/DAY. That is totally impossible. But as said above, going home on weekends would be feasible.

Girlfriend is going to be living outside of philly at home to save money. Doing the 4 hours/DAY commute to school in NYC all next fall. Lol at her.