Regionality wrote:Typical. You say people at your T14 are "struggling" to find work, but you have yet to give any statistics (even at your very own school) about employment rates 9 months after graduation in the current year.
Such statistics aren't out yet.
Regionality wrote:It SHOULD be a "struggle" to find work, no matter the economy. People need to balance many things to find a job that fits for them. It is such typical T14-sense-of-entitlement-mentality that leads you to think that a struggle at a T14 to find a job is some sort of unfair burden.
This is just ridiculously stupid. You're paying $180K to go to one of the top law schools in the country and it "should be a struggle to find work" afterward? WTF? This is about as pessimistic as I'm being, except you're saying it's supposed
to be that way.
I've been unemployed before, and I've struggled to find work before. I know what it means to be jobless despite qualifications. I have no sense of entitlement about anything. Also, I love how you demand empirical proof from me and then start making unsubstantiated assumptions yourself.
Regionality wrote:Please, besides your anecdotal evidence and observations, give statistics that mean something so we know how bad it really is for you and your peers.
As mentioned, statistics aren't out yet. However, you may want to read this: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704866204575224350917718446.html
It's more anecdotal evidence, but from a student at a T10 law school who can't find work now at all. There are other posters on this board (including a mod) who are in the same boat, and it's not that they tanked their classes or anything.
To make it easier for you to understand, the WSJ includes pretty pictures. Note the graph where hiring of people who got 2L summer jobs in the first place
has dropped to less than 70%. Note the graph next to it that shows that law firms are only offering about half the summer internships that they used to. Fewer summer interns + hiring fewer of them permanently = far fewer people being hired for BigLaw
Regionality wrote:Then we could maybe extrapolate to lower ranked law schools.
The extrapolation to lower-ranked law schools is usually too hard for 0Ls to understand for some reason, but it goes like this: Fewer BigLaw positions means T14 grads aren't getting BigLaw jobs. So, they go and grab up all the non-BigLaw jobs they can find, if they can even find them. That means taking jobs that traditionally went to lower T1 and T2 grads. Now those grads can't find work anymore, not even the low-paying work they were counting on paying, because the T14 grads took them as better than no work at all. There's this immense ripple effect suppressing hiring at all levels.
Regionality wrote:But I think that for you and your fellow T14ers that finding a job won't be a problem at all in the end (9 months out). Let's not forget too that just because you don't get your dream job now doesn't mean you won't land a dream job a year from now after you work your embarrassingly pathetic 50-75k/yr job now.
Why do people always assume that my dream job is BigLaw? My dream job is going to start out paying 50K a year a best, but I may not get it now because it's become insanely competitive to get, because all the folks who use to take BigLaw are rushing to grab it instead since it's paying work
Also, you seem to imply that you can "work your way up" to a BigLaw dream job from low-paying grunt work. For the most part, no, it doesn't work that way. There are 45,000 new law school graduates every year, and firms would rather take someone new who hasn't been through the process yet than someone they've already screened once and rejected. That's just the way it is. Once you're out, you're out, for the most part. There are a few people who can make that kind of lateral, but they're coming from the jobs that are low-paying but hypercompetitive (DOJ, other fed work, big-city DA's office) that not that many people can count on getting either.
Your general cluelessness about how law hiring works combined with your blatant stereotyping of all T14 grads indicates how completely off-base your assumptions and assertions are. In short, you're an idiot, and hopefully everyone can see that.