Wait a minute, let's look at this.
DerrickRose wrote:1. Touro has an attrition rate of about 35%, so all the numbers you have there are out of only 65% of the people that decide to go there.
Fair enough. But it depends on whether or not the school is flunking these kids out, or the students are deciding to leave because they realized that law/law school isn't for them. I don't think it's necessarily an awful thing to let in some people whose numbers are poor, and let them see if they can hack it. All schools used to do that before transferring the competitiveness to the admissions process. Sure, some people wind up $45,000 in debt with nothing, but as long as they know going in that their numbers are poor and that they might not make it, fine.
2. In a fun bit of reading comprehension, they only give the numbers for New York State, meaning the median salary number are almost certainly lower wherever else Touro students might be employed, namely New Jersey.
That quote came from TLS; the profiles are not always written with a high degree of professionalism. I'm not sure we're really supposed to take away from it that only NY salaries are counted; even if they are, 88% are in fact working in NY. It's not like they took 5% of the class and extrapolated from that.
3. You're assumption of an 100% response rate is unfounded. Some schools have deplorably low response rates, but lets give Touro the benefit of the doubt and say that there is only 10% unemployed/non-legal non-respondents.
I didn't assume that at all. I assumed that when TLS says, "We know
77% to be employed," TLS means, "We've added together the unemployed and the non-responders, and that comes out to 23% of the class."
4. I don't have the numbers at hand but school like Touro usually have 30 or so % of the class in non-legal jobs. We don't know whether these are higher or lower salaries, and we don't know whether the JD was outcome determinative in getting the job, but we do know they aren't "lawyers"
Could be true. If it is, I wonder why TLS didn't mention it in the profile of this school. If a large number of grads were in "business" I'd expect them to point it out. But maybe Touro is flat-out lying, or classifying 60% of the class as "private sector," not "law firms." I don't know. Their current website is extremely unhelpful on this matter.
5. Those numbers are from 2006, the absolute peak of the legal hiring boom.
Overall, I'm sure kids graduating from Touro in May are in trouble. But there's no reason to believe it's only ever had a rate of 5% of grads working as lawyers, as people around here tend to claim. If someone has a scholarship, a realistic idea of what they're getting into, and no better options, it's not necessarily an awful choice. FWIW, the Touro grad I know is doing well; his theory of getting jobs is that it's all about who you know and how much they like you. (He's a charismatic guy and has had no trouble getting jobs. But we aren't all charismatic, or looking for work in small markets, either.) In my small market, I think small firms would hire someone they liked who'd gone to Touro over a T14 grad with equivalent grades, whom they didn't like, any day.