USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

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Which is better for SF big law?

USC
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Georgetown
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shmoo597
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USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby shmoo597 » Tue May 04, 2010 9:18 pm

Straightforward. Which places better in the bay area?

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby DerrickRose » Tue May 04, 2010 9:24 pm

Close call. Probably USC.

But your full ride at Hastings beckons.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby General Tso » Tue May 04, 2010 9:26 pm

shmoo597 wrote:Straightforward. Which places better in the bay area?


http://californiabar.globl.org/report.p ... 0&g=2&pp=5

surprisingly, GULC it is

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby shmoo597 » Tue May 04, 2010 9:28 pm

General Tso wrote:
shmoo597 wrote:Straightforward. Which places better in the bay area?


http://californiabar.globl.org/report.p ... 0&g=2&pp=5

surprisingly, GULC it is



...Wow. That is an amazing website.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby papercranes » Tue May 04, 2010 9:47 pm

I don't know about this. I mean, Gtown has nearly three times the amount of students per year. I don't think this necessarily shows GULC > USC for SF

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby im_blue » Tue May 04, 2010 10:11 pm

papercranes wrote:I don't know about this. I mean, Gtown has nearly three times the amount of students per year. I don't think this necessarily shows GULC > USC for SF

GULC also has about 10-12% of its students going to CA each year, while 85-90% of USC grads stay in the state (most in SoCal obviously, but I'll bet a hefty percentage to SF as well). These numbers clearly show GULC's dominance over USC in SF, IMO.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby Anonymous Loser » Tue May 04, 2010 10:34 pm

im_blue wrote:
papercranes wrote:I don't know about this. I mean, Gtown has nearly three times the amount of students per year. I don't think this necessarily shows GULC > USC for SF

GULC also has about 10-12% of its students going to CA each year, while 85-90% of USC grads stay in the state (most in SoCal obviously, but I'll bet a hefty percentage to SF as well). These numbers clearly show GULC's dominance over USC in SF, IMO.


You've just said that USC likely places a larger percentage of its graduates in San Francisco than GULC does, but you feel that GULC places better in the region? I took statistics many years ago, so someone will have to explain this logic to me.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby JCougar » Tue May 04, 2010 10:40 pm

Anonymous Loser wrote:
im_blue wrote:
papercranes wrote:I don't know about this. I mean, Gtown has nearly three times the amount of students per year. I don't think this necessarily shows GULC > USC for SF

GULC also has about 10-12% of its students going to CA each year, while 85-90% of USC grads stay in the state (most in SoCal obviously, but I'll bet a hefty percentage to SF as well). These numbers clearly show GULC's dominance over USC in SF, IMO.


You've just said that USC likely places a larger percentage of its graduates in San Francisco than GULC does, but you feel that GULC places better in the region? I took statistics many years ago, so someone will have to explain this logic to me.


Ummm...

sheer volume ≠ quality?

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby Borhas » Tue May 04, 2010 10:47 pm

Anonymous Loser wrote:
im_blue wrote:
papercranes wrote:I don't know about this. I mean, Gtown has nearly three times the amount of students per year. I don't think this necessarily shows GULC > USC for SF

GULC also has about 10-12% of its students going to CA each year, while 85-90% of USC grads stay in the state (most in SoCal obviously, but I'll bet a hefty percentage to SF as well). These numbers clearly show GULC's dominance over USC in SF, IMO.


You've just said that USC likely places a larger percentage of its graduates in San Francisco than GULC does, but you feel that GULC places better in the region? I took statistics many years ago, so someone will have to explain this logic to me.


that guy's working under the assumption that since only 10% of GULC students even go to CA (around 60 students) and 90% of USC stay in CA (around 180 students)... that it's really 60 vs 180 in SF, and so GULC really shouldn't have anywhere near the same number of students as USC if USC was equally good.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby existenz » Wed May 05, 2010 2:30 am

Borhas wrote:that guy's working under the assumption that since only 10% of GULC students even go to CA (around 60 students) and 90% of USC stay in CA (around 180 students)... that it's really 60 vs 180 in SF, and so GULC really shouldn't have anywhere near the same number of students as USC if USC was equally good.

And of course assuming that everyone who wants to practice in CA wants to practice is SF is incorrect.

I think USC grads generally stay in SoCal, especially LA and Orange County. But without knowing how many SC or GULC students target SF, you can't say which school places better. You can only say that GULC has twice as many alumni in SF compared to SC.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby 20160810 » Wed May 05, 2010 6:50 am

That website is fun to look at (who knew that GW was one of the top-30 schools in Sacramento?) but shouldn't be relied upon detrimentally: If I just used that data, I'd be led to believe that attending unaccredited Lincoln Law School is a likelier path to a job in Sacramento than attending Stanford.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby flyingpanda » Wed May 05, 2010 7:02 am

SoftBoiledLife wrote:That website is fun to look at (who knew that GW was one of the top-30 schools in Sacramento?) but shouldn't be relied upon detrimentally: If I just used that data, I'd be led to believe that attending unaccredited Lincoln Law School is a likelier path to a job in Sacramento than attending Stanford.


TLS Exile what happened?

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby doinmybest » Wed May 05, 2010 7:22 am

SoftBoiledLife wrote:That website is fun to look at (who knew that GW was one of the top-30 schools in Sacramento?) but shouldn't be relied upon detrimentally: If I just used that data, I'd be led to believe that attending unaccredited Lincoln Law School is a likelier path to a job in Sacramento than attending Stanford.


That is an interesting website. I wish they had that for all cities!

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby Informative » Wed May 05, 2010 6:37 pm

GULC is national enough to get you to Cali.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby NayBoer » Fri May 07, 2010 1:34 am

SoftBoiledLife wrote:That website is fun to look at (who knew that GW was one of the top-30 schools in Sacramento?) but shouldn't be relied upon detrimentally: If I just used that data, I'd be led to believe that attending unaccredited Lincoln Law School is a likelier path to a job in Sacramento than attending Stanford.
That's a great point, but we'd probably expect that to apply in reverse to the current matchup.

If GULC had ~150 attorneys in SF and USC had ~360, we'd say "yeah, but Georgetown self selects for DC and NYC." It would be an argument for why Georgetown is equal to or better than USC despite lower numbers. But the fact that Georgetown is over double USC's number probably tells us that it's a pretty decent option for SF.

Even though USC is like ten times closer to SF, and is in the same state (so the same bar exam) Georgetown is still better represented.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby UnclaimedGas » Fri May 07, 2010 2:02 am

do USC grads just love SoCal love so much that they dont even bother considering other areas? i am a little surprised that USC is not represented well in SF

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby General Tso » Fri May 07, 2010 9:11 pm

UnclaimedGas wrote:do USC grads just love SoCal love so much that they dont even bother considering other areas? i am a little surprised that USC is not represented well in SF


Well 2 things. 1) Hastings and USC used to be peer schools (15+ years ago) so many older lawyers who wanted SF wouldn't have chosen USC. 2) LA's legal market is MUCH bigger than SF. LA is either the 2nd or 3rd largest market in terms of NLJ250 firms, whereas SF is #8 on the list.

Plus, USC is noted for the strength of its alumni network, and if most of them are in LA, there's not that much reason to leave.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby UnclaimedGas » Sun May 09, 2010 1:44 am

General Tso wrote:
UnclaimedGas wrote:do USC grads just love SoCal love so much that they dont even bother considering other areas? i am a little surprised that USC is not represented well in SF


Well 2 things. 1) Hastings and USC used to be peer schools (15+ years ago) so many older lawyers who wanted SF wouldn't have chosen USC. 2) LA's legal market is MUCH bigger than SF. LA is either the 2nd or 3rd largest market in terms of NLJ250 firms, whereas SF is #8 on the list.

Plus, USC is noted for the strength of its alumni network, and if most of them are in LA, there's not that much reason to leave.


ic. so from reason #1, it would be fair to say that the current marketability of USC grads in SF is underestimated in those stats?

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby General Tso » Sun May 09, 2010 1:46 am

UnclaimedGas wrote:
General Tso wrote:
UnclaimedGas wrote:do USC grads just love SoCal love so much that they dont even bother considering other areas? i am a little surprised that USC is not represented well in SF


Well 2 things. 1) Hastings and USC used to be peer schools (15+ years ago) so many older lawyers who wanted SF wouldn't have chosen USC. 2) LA's legal market is MUCH bigger than SF. LA is either the 2nd or 3rd largest market in terms of NLJ250 firms, whereas SF is #8 on the list.

Plus, USC is noted for the strength of its alumni network, and if most of them are in LA, there's not that much reason to leave.


ic. so from reason #1, it would be fair to say that the current marketability of USC grads in SF is underestimated in those stats?


I'd probably say so. But if OP is looking at GULC sticker vs. USC sticker then GULC is probably still the the right choice.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby fortissimo » Sun May 09, 2010 9:57 am

General Tso wrote:
UnclaimedGas wrote:do USC grads just love SoCal love so much that they dont even bother considering other areas? i am a little surprised that USC is not represented well in SF


Well 2 things. 1) Hastings and USC used to be peer schools (15+ years ago) so many older lawyers who wanted SF wouldn't have chosen USC. 2) LA's legal market is MUCH bigger than SF. LA is either the 2nd or 3rd largest market in terms of NLJ250 firms, whereas SF is #8 on the list.

Plus, USC is noted for the strength of its alumni network, and if most of them are in LA, there's not that much reason to leave.



Is LA really the second biggest for NLJ 250? I thought NYC, DC, and Chicago were all bigger than LA?

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby General Tso » Sun May 09, 2010 2:14 pm

I am pretty sure LA is bigger than Chicago but maybe not DC.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby lawapps0502 » Sun May 09, 2010 2:22 pm

In this economy, it is probably better to go to school in california is you want to work in SF...that way you can travel more easily to interviews etc.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby thewolfandpeter » Sun May 09, 2010 2:32 pm

definitely georgetown....its difficult to accurately measure how regional a law school usc truly is....until you check out those statistics

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby fortissimo » Sun May 09, 2010 6:26 pm

General Tso wrote:I am pretty sure LA is bigger than Chicago but maybe not DC.


I don't think so...I'm pretty sure the 3 biggest markets are NYC, DC, and Chicago...in that order. Then LA.

Anyway, I'd go to Georgetown, although good luck getting SF biglaw ITE.

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Re: USC or Georgetown for SF biglaw

Postby Informative » Tue May 11, 2010 5:26 pm

GULC is very national and will have connections at all of the NorCal firms. USC will have just as many, but it doesn't carry the cache or prestige that GULC has. I'd take the prestige over a school better known for football than academics.




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