Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby keg411 » Wed May 05, 2010 1:14 pm

Jericwithers wrote:Whats wrong with Orlando?

I agree with what was said that there are no real 'biglaw' jobs in Florida. From my research there are no market paying $160k jobs in Florida at all. If the motivation is Florida or bust, then go UF or FSU. If it is biglaw $$$ or bust, then go Duke. I would just be worried paying off the debt load when the best firms in Florida pay at most $145k, and when those jobs are quite scarce.

Check out http://www.nalpdirectory.com for my info and to do some research into OCI at all these schools.


There is certainly the equivalent of BigLaw. A friend of mine used to work at H&K in Tampa and he made bank.

OP, tell your friend to go to Duke if he's chasing $$$. If that person is more debt averse and wants to do gov't/PI/small law and generally just wants Florida and nowhere else, then UF.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby Jericwithers » Wed May 05, 2010 1:38 pm

keg411 wrote:
Jericwithers wrote:Whats wrong with Orlando?

I agree with what was said that there are no real 'biglaw' jobs in Florida. From my research there are no market paying $160k jobs in Florida at all. If the motivation is Florida or bust, then go UF or FSU. If it is biglaw $$$ or bust, then go Duke. I would just be worried paying off the debt load when the best firms in Florida pay at most $145k, and when those jobs are quite scarce.

Check out http://www.nalpdirectory.com for my info and to do some research into OCI at all these schools.


There is certainly the equivalent of BigLaw. A friend of mine used to work at H&K in Tampa and he made bank.

OP, tell your friend to go to Duke if he's chasing $$$. If that person is more debt averse and wants to do gov't/PI/small law and generally just wants Florida and nowhere else, then UF.


I would say that Duke is probably better for PI & government work (new LRAP makes debt meaningless), but I don't think that is what the person is after. Florida or bust tips the scales to UF or FSU though.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby tilghmab » Wed May 05, 2010 4:12 pm

Jericwithers wrote:I would dare to say that the driving problems exists in all parts of Florida.


True, but IMO Orlando's the worst.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby Bosque » Wed May 05, 2010 4:28 pm

I think it really comes down to how absolutely sure your friend is that he knows exactly what he wants to do for the rest of his life. If he is really and truly 100% set on working for a firm in Florida or running for office in Florida, then Florida is going to do well enough for him that I could see him justifying picking it for less debt.

However, if there is a chance he might not end up in Florida (i.e. he may decide he wants to practice a type of law which has no market in Florida), then he should go to Duke. Duke allows him a lot more options in case life comes along and tells him his 5 year plan was full of crap, as it so often does.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby legalized » Thu May 13, 2010 5:09 pm

tilghmab wrote:
Cupidity wrote:
lshopeful3232 wrote:
Cupidity wrote:What did I say? DUKE.

All the top firms in the south east recruit from Duke. That includes Florida.



what makes you certain that a top florida firm would recruit from duke over its own UF graduates? Duke only sends 10% of its grads to the South actually and Florida is not among the most popular. i mean, that's of course obvious, but i get the sense that Florida firms wouldn't necessarily go for Duke before UF every time. I think it depends where you are looking in Florida though too as half of Florida is more "southern" and the other part has a more "northern" population that might be more keen on Duke.

i'm not saying the Florida schools are definitely better but they are giving you the chance to be debt free and if you are set on florida, it will work out for you in the end and UF should not be underestimated as it is the top ranked Florida school


Are you really going to lecture me on the cultural breakdown of my homestate? And its not half and half anyway dude, its thirds. The North third is the South, the Middle third is the North, and the South third is Cuba.

Any cursory look at employment stats should be sufficient to quiet you. As stated above, even as top-dog in Florida, UF does a poor job of securing top-jobs in state. The few BIGLAW firms in the state are not home-grown, but rather, are sattelite offices for out of state firms. While this, of course, is nothing uncommon, the desirablity of Florida for employment, coupled with this and the fact the states best local school is barely hanging in to the first tier, means that many of the top firm jobs here go to T-14 grads from up north. I have been in and worked for such firms,


Shameless Orlando trolling.


ROFL he's right though. Northern is very southern. Southern is very Caribbean...esp. cuban. South florida is almost like a 3rd world country and I should know. If I could get a nice job I'd be there before the day is out...but you can't afford south florida cost of living on typical south florida pay.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby JCougar » Thu May 13, 2010 5:53 pm

legalized wrote:South florida is almost like a 3rd world country and I should know.


So is North Florida and the interior of the peninsula, except the people aren't as tan.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby JCougar » Thu May 13, 2010 6:01 pm

Very tough choice.

Normally in this scenario, I would say Duke for sure. I still lean Duke, but Florida's market is fairly insular, and people love UF grads here.

With that said, there are hardly any Florida biglaw firms. Biglaw here is, like people have already mentioned, mostly firms from elsewhere having sattelite offices. At these offices, you're much better off having gone to Duke.

Biglaw offices in Tampa/Orlando/Jacksonville pay between $110K and $125K starting salary, though, so it may take a couple of years longer to pay off that Duke debt. But ITE, UF just doesn't offer anyone a good chance at biglaw, so you can go for free, but you won't be able to get what you want.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Thu May 13, 2010 6:09 pm

Allow me to clear up some misconceptions

1. Orlando is the best city in Florida, (and the magic are the best team in the NBA)

2. Florida has Biglaw, or at least near biglaw pay
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these salaries are a outdated and are actually higher I believe

3. Florida pre ITE put about 10% of its class in biglaw
FSU pre ITE put about 3-4% of its class in biglaw

ITE happened

I know firsthand of UF law reviews who can flat-out not find work

4. If you want biglaw, UF/FSU would be a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE option over Duke, debt or no debt

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby poo » Fri May 14, 2010 2:47 pm

adh07d wrote:Allow me to clear up some misconceptions

1. Orlando is the best city in Florida, (and the magic are the best team in the NBA)

2. Florida has Biglaw, or at least near biglaw pay
--LinkRemoved--
these salaries are a outdated and are actually higher I believe

3. Florida pre ITE put about 10% of its class in biglaw
FSU pre ITE put about 3-4% of its class in biglaw

ITE happened

I know firsthand of UF law reviews who can flat-out not find work






4. If you want biglaw, UF/FSU would be a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE option over Duke, debt or no debt




Wow. People on law review can't find jobs? Do these people have something wrong with them (like no social skills?), or are these people the type of people that "should" have a job?

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby lawapps0502 » Fri May 14, 2010 2:58 pm

poo wrote:My friend to accepted to all the schools mentioned in the title and would have to pay sticker at Duke and Georgetown and graduate with a shit ton of debt, or he would go to UF/ FSU for free. He's 100% sure he wants to stay in Florida and is having a hard time trying to decide if the debt is worth it. I really can't find anything on this, so if someone has any feed back I (we) would really appreciate it!


Did your friend put down multiple deposits? I ask because the deposit deadlines for all of these schools has passed. If so, tell him to make a decision quickly because there are many people waiting patiently on wait lists for spots to open up!

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Fri May 14, 2010 5:05 pm

poo wrote:
Wow. People on law review can't find jobs? Do these people have something wrong with them (like no social skills?), or are these people the type of people that "should" have a job?


I didn't say law reviews can't find jobs, just that I know of one who just graduated and still has no job. The point was, if you're top 10% (which is a crapshoot), and you're STILL not safe, it's simply not worth it over the premier school of the south.

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Re: Duke/ Georgetown vs. UF/FSU for Florida

Postby poo » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:59 pm

My friend decided on UF and I just wanted to post it here for people who have to make a similar decision in the future. He decided on UF because he 100% wants to stay in Florida, it's approx 6 times cheaper then going to either Duke or Georgetown and he couldn't turn down the opportunity to graduate debt free.




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