Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

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Where should I go??

Seton Hall (no $ that I'm aware of)
8
47%
NYLS ($15K/year w/ GPA req)
9
53%
 
Total votes: 17

bulletreverb
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Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby bulletreverb » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:49 pm

I was hoping that it wouldn't come down to this, but I just have to know what you guys think. I don't think I am getting money from Seton Hall and I have $15k/year at NYLS.

I will be living in Manhattan. I have read the negatives about both schools, so no need to rehash, if you have a solid argument one way or the other let me know.


Currently WL from RU-N and Brooklyn, no word yet from St. John's or Cardozo May (which I will attend immediately if accepted)...


So lets assume that these are my two options. I am more debt-averse, but I know I'll have tons of loans either way.
Also, retaking/waiting is not an option. I will be attending law school this August.

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby A'nold » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:52 pm

bulletreverb wrote:I was hoping that it wouldn't come down to this, but I just have to know what you guys think. I don't think I am getting money from Seton Hall and I have $15k/year at NYLS.

I will be living in Manhattan. I have read the negatives about both schools, so no need to rehash, if you have a solid argument one way or the other let me know.


Currently WL from RU-N and Brooklyn, no word yet from St. John's or Cardozo May (which I will attend immediately if accepted)...


So lets assume that these are my two options. I am more debt-averse, but I know I'll have tons of loans either way.
Also, retaking/waiting is not an option. I will be attending law school this August.


In before the bolded above gets talked about to death. Anyway, I mean, New York Law seems like the only choice here. Also, I would really, REALLY try to get off of R-N's WL and go there over any of the schools listed.

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby 270910 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:16 pm

Don't fucking go to law school.

OK, I take that back. Unless you are independently wealthy OR will be happy doing small town legal work with a starting salary in the 30-50 thousand dollar range and low chance of moving up the ladder, DON'T FUCKING GO TO LAW SCHOOL.

You have NO idea how bad this economy is. It's abso-fucking-lutely brutal. And it's affecting lower ranked schools much more harshly.

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby xyzzzzzzzz » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:31 pm

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby A'nold » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:35 pm

If OP really wants to go to law school, he should be willing to move from NYC and go to like Ole Miss, U. of New Mexico, or some other "only school in the state" kind of school where they can get a scholly and in-state tuition.

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby Aqualibrium » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:47 pm

The problem with the only school in the state places Anold mentioned is that the legal market in those places are usually very xenophobic.

Even at the top of his class at ole miss, it'll be difficult for a person from say NY to get a job over one of the good ole boys in Mississippi.

p.s. the answer to op's question is neither. A school like that isn't worth the money and the stress unless you either a) are wealthy enough to not take out loans OR b)have a no strings scholarship.
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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby Blindmelon » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:48 pm

Whoever is voting for Suffolk doesn't like you. While I echo "neither", going to the cheapest school in this situation is by far the best way to go. They are both among the weakest regional schools in cities overcrowded with fancier law schools.

EDIT: whoops, he said Seton Hall not Suffolk. I just assume people don't willfully go to SHU. OP - still voting for NYLS.
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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby SteelReserve » Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:51 pm

Since OP is determined to ruin his financial future, why not go to NYLS where you can have fun for 3 years in NYC?

On the other hand, at least SHU has loyalty within the NJ market...NYLS has nothing going for it in that regard.

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby Cara » Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:56 pm

Also, retaking/waiting is not an option. I will be attending law school this August.


False, Retaking is ALWAYS an option especially when the options you list are financial suicide.

Why do you HAVE to commit suicide this year?

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby pany1985 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:09 pm

If you can get your LSAT up into 160s territory, you're gonna have some vastly better options available to you.

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby pugalicious » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:28 pm

Cara wrote:
Also, retaking/waiting is not an option. I will be attending law school this August.


False, Retaking is ALWAYS an option especially when the options you list are financial suicide.

Why do you HAVE to commit suicide this year?


HA. Not to derail the thread, but I find it interesting that everyone says, "You won't get a job ITE, retaking is always an option"....like it's that easy to get a perfectly adequate, non-law, full-time job (for just 1 year, mind) ITE...and then, while holding this full-time job, study and raise your LSAT score by 10-15 points. Maybe those "retaking is always an option" people are 21-year-olds who can just live off mommy and daddy?

Go to NYLS - as long as you understand the disadvantages of the school (which you said you do) and you're not approaching the situation blindly. Have you tried to negotiate the scholarship?

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby pany1985 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:37 pm

Not having a job for a year would indeed suck, and if retaking doesn't raise the score then it would be a net loss for sure.

The potential downside of going, though, is really bad. Instead of being jobless for a year, you're jobless for three years. Plus, you've been actually paying to bust your ass for those three years. So now you have tons of debt. And you have a good chance of still being unemployed when you graduate.

The potential upside of retaking is pretty good. You can either get into a better school with a higher chance of decent legal employment afterward OR you can go to the same (or a similiarly-ranked) school for much less money through the magic of merit scholarships.

Nothing's a guarantee, but it's not unreasonable to weigh the options and determine that the latter is a route more likely to have a positive outcome.

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby pugalicious » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:20 pm

Good points ^

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Re: Better of two evils, Seton Hall vs. NYLS $$

Postby Grizz » Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:06 am

You've heard all the arguments, but you don't seem like you're gonna be dissuaded from financially ruining yourself. Go to NYLS; promptly apply for food stamps and govt. housing.




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