Where did you draw the line for sticker?

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Cupidity » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:07 am

Drew the line at Fordham--anything under is worth sticker in my book. In-state at a few lower ranked schools was an option too.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby r2b2ct » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:13 am

I'm not applying until next cycle, but right now I'm thinking my cutoff will be T14. If that doesn't work out, I would consider a few T50s that do well in markets in which I would like to practice/live.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Bronte » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:13 am

Unemployed wrote:
thinkbig wrote:No, you were right in criticizing my argument for its lack of evidence. "Plenty of" meant nothing. The whole argument was wishful thinking. "Is that so hard to believe?" I guess the answer is Yes.


I was puzzled by Bronte's suggestion that I'm hating on unemployment apropos of my previous comment.

Have you ever gone from selling mortgage-backed securities to unemployment right before law school starts? With a nice little severance package? It's awesome!


I was effin around. The statement was nonsensical.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Unemployed » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:15 am

Bronte wrote:
Unemployed wrote:
thinkbig wrote:No, you were right in criticizing my argument for its lack of evidence. "Plenty of" meant nothing. The whole argument was wishful thinking. "Is that so hard to believe?" I guess the answer is Yes.


I was puzzled by Bronte's suggestion that I'm hating on unemployment apropos of my previous comment.

Have you ever gone from selling mortgage-backed securities to unemployment right before law school starts? With a nice little severance package? It's awesome!


I was effin around. The statement was nonsensical.


<---------------------Disappointed.

<---------------------But feels no shame about sidetracking this pointless thread.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Stringer Bell » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:31 am

thinkbig wrote:But if you are counting instate tuition, add Berkeley, Michigan, Texas, UVA, probably a few more, that would still be worth paying sticker.



Not to play hall monitor, but other than the reference to UT this statement doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think Michigan gets a resident break of 3k a year, UVA 5k and I believe Boalt gets 10k or so but you can gain residency after a year in California. So those schools would be worth it at roughly 180k but not 195k? That seems like an odd place to draw the line.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby KG_CalGuy » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:48 am

im_blue wrote:I'd pay sticker for the T12, and probably Cornell/GULC as well if those were my best options.


I would never pay sticker at Georgetown. Numbers for GULC will easily get you money at a similarly ranked school

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby td6624 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:55 am

Chicago/NYU/Boalt. Those are the last ones I'd take at sticker. And tbh I'm not even sure about Chicago (not that I'll get in...still haven't heard.) Not really sure about Boalt either. But I didn't have to think too much about it 'cause they rejected me. Bastards.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby ne11986 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:55 am

thinkbig wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia

The only 4 schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


Add Chicago.


Chicago? I say go Top 10, period. Chicago has the same biglaw placement as Penn, Michigan and UVa. You aren't guaranteed Biglaw anywhere anymore. But the Top 10 schools always do exceptionally well, and are still work sticker.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby ne11986 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:58 am

td6624 wrote:Chicago/NYU/Boalt. Those are the last ones I'd take at sticker. And tbh I'm not even sure about Chicago (not that I'll get in...still haven't heard.) Not really sure about Boalt either. But I didn't have to think too much about it 'cause they rejected me. Bastards.


Man, maybe I'm out of the know on law school "prestige", but I've always thought Penn was a peer with those institutions.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby CCN » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:00 am

ne11986 wrote:
thinkbig wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
Stanford
Columbia

The only 4 schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


Add Chicago.


Chicago? I say go Top 10, period. Chicago has the same biglaw placement as Penn, Michigan and UVa. You aren't guaranteed Biglaw anywhere anymore. But the Top 10 schools always do exceptionally well, and are still work sticker.


...Stanford, Columbia, etc.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby im_blue » Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:59 am

KG_CalGuy wrote:
im_blue wrote:I'd pay sticker for the T12, and probably Cornell/GULC as well if those were my best options.


I would never pay sticker at Georgetown. Numbers for GULC will easily get you money at a similarly ranked school

That's true. I'd draw the line at T13.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby pleasepickme » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:08 am

HYS

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Cara » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:15 am

T6

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby You Gotta Have Faith » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:32 am

timshel wrote:t18


^Blatant knock on WUSTL? Or possibly love of USC? Not sure.

But to answer the question... it COMPLETELY depends on the person. If you have a 178, 3.9 (or something else highly competitive) you shouldn't pay sticker for anything but YHS, unless doing so would make you happy (you reaaaally want CC or N). But to the applicant who has a 158, 3.8 and happens to get into a school in the 20s or, God forbid, even the 30s/40s, then sticker may well be worth it to them.

For me? I would've drawn the line somewhere in the 60s or so. That's because I knew I wanted to go to law school. As I got money from multiple schools in the teens and 20s, I didn't have to draw the line there. But in any event, I think it's all too easy to say you would draw the line just at or right below where you are attending for sticker, after it is all over.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Grizz » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:43 am

You Gotta Have Faith wrote:
timshel wrote:t18


^Blatant knock on WUSTL? Or possibly love of USC? Not sure.

But to answer the question... it COMPLETELY depends on the person. If you have a 178, 3.9 (or something else highly competitive) you shouldn't pay sticker for anything but YHS, unless doing so would make you happy (you reaaaally want CC or N). But to the applicant who has a 158, 3.8 and happens to get into a school in the 20s or, God forbid, even the 30s/40s, then sticker may well be worth it to them.

For me? I would've drawn the line somewhere in the 60s or so. That's because I knew I wanted to go to law school. As I got money from multiple schools in the teens and 20s, I didn't have to draw the line there. But in any event, I think it's all too easy to say you would draw the line just at or right below where you are attending for sticker, after it is all over.


60s? Seems like an awesome way to end up heavily indebted for mediocre job prospects. Even if you're sure you never wanted to leave KS or NM.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby OneKnight » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:02 am

T10

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Rand M. » Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:58 am

T6+UVa in-state. That's what it always was before the cycle started, and that's what it is now.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby td6624 » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:53 am

ne11986 wrote:
td6624 wrote:Chicago/NYU/Boalt. Those are the last ones I'd take at sticker. And tbh I'm not even sure about Chicago (not that I'll get in...still haven't heard.) Not really sure about Boalt either. But I didn't have to think too much about it 'cause they rejected me. Bastards.


Man, maybe I'm out of the know on law school "prestige", but I've always thought Penn was a peer with those institutions.


I'm not saying it isn't. But I never really even considered going to a school with a location that didn't appeal to me. Stupid? Maybe. Who cares.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby stavand » Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:16 am

Penn

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby motiontodismiss » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:07 am

T30. My parents are paying tuition anyway so who cares.

Exceptions: California schools (not even applying) and schools like GW or BU that are relegated to second (or third or fourth) fiddle on their home turf. For ex: I wouldn't pay sticker at BU because it's overshadowed by BC and Harvard. I would pay sticker at UMNTC or Emory though because it's the dominant school in the MSP or ATL market (which are "sizeable" secondary markets), respectively.
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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby holydonkey » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:13 am

T12. I'd have paid sticker at Duke or Northwestern, but would not for Cornell or Georgetown.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby creatinganalt » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:21 am

Before applying: HYS
Now: nowhere

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Grizz » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:30 am

motiontodismiss wrote:T30. My parents are paying tuition anyway so who cares.

Exceptions: California schools (not even applying) and schools like GW or BU that are relegated to second (or third or fourth) fiddle on their home turf. For ex: I wouldn't pay sticker at BU because it's overshadowed by BC and Harvard. I would pay sticker at UMNTC or Emory though because it's the dominant school in the MSP or ATL market (which are "sizeable" secondary markets), respectively.


Duke, UVA, and Vanderbilt grads are more well regarded than Emory in ATL. I would not pay sticker at Emory.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby miamiman » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:33 am

rad law wrote:
motiontodismiss wrote:T30. My parents are paying tuition anyway so who cares.

Exceptions: California schools (not even applying) and schools like GW or BU that are relegated to second (or third or fourth) fiddle on their home turf. For ex: I wouldn't pay sticker at BU because it's overshadowed by BC and Harvard. I would pay sticker at UMNTC or Emory though because it's the dominant school in the MSP or ATL market (which are "sizeable" secondary markets), respectively.


Duke, UVA, and Vanderbilt grads are more well regarded than Emory in ATL. I would not pay sticker at Emory.



Um.....i'd guess (an educated guess) that, if anything, Emory >= Vanderbilt in Atlanta

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Grizz » Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:45 am

miamiman wrote:Um.....i'd guess (an educated guess) that, if anything, Emory >= Vanderbilt in Atlanta


Nope. Not according to every single lawyer I've talked to. There are tons of Vandy alums in ATL, plus the fact that Vandy alums run the biggest firms there (Alston & Bird, King & Spalding). Vandy > Emory in ATL.




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