Where did you draw the line for sticker?

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby td6624 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:04 pm

legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.


uh. I think you're alone on that one.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:46 pm

I would've taken in-state at my local regional school over anything else except HYSCCN. In-state is crazy cheap there.. like $17k a year.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Rand M. » Mon Apr 26, 2010 9:53 pm

legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.


Which schools were these?

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby legalized » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:14 pm

Rand M. wrote:
legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.


Which schools were these?


NYU for one. It wasn't on my radar all my years of high school when talk was going around about which UG's are tops in the nation (not that my intent was to go to one, but just referring to the talk among those who were already in professional careers etc.)...it's only since looking up law school info that it's name sits prominently at the top of any list I've ever looked at.

Granted, I am from the West Indies, so it's easy for us to hear of only: A. Ivies, B. Schools that are very foreign-student friendly, even if we are residents or citizens and not foreign students (includes schools our world-class track athletes regularly compete against since track is huge), or C. Schools with highly regarded programs for the more popular west indian professions.

All the in between state and other private are never heard of. My cousin got a full scholarship straight from home to some school i never heard of in a midwestern state and to this day i can't ever remember the name. She got in, got her degree, got out...lol. If it was a school we "rate" I would remember the name. Just how we are.

That said, I have heard of University of Michigan as a good school in general.

UVa? Never! Not till law school research did i hear of that school as being something to aim for!

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby clintonius » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:19 pm

Wait. So you're dismissing the schools that you found out were good when you actually *researched* the topic, and are sticking to the ones that tickled your fancy when you knew nothing? Do you see how that's foolish when it's put in those terms?

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Rand M. » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:21 pm

legalized wrote:
Rand M. wrote:
legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.


Which schools were these?


NYU for one. It wasn't on my radar all my years of high school when talk was going around about which UG's are tops in the nation (not that my intent was to go to one, but just referring to the talk among those who were already in professional careers etc.)...it's only since looking up law school info that it's name sits prominently at the top of any list I've ever looked at.

Granted, I am from the West Indies, so it's easy for us to hear of only: A. Ivies, B. Schools that are very foreign-student friendly, even if we are residents or citizens and not foreign students (includes schools our world-class track athletes regularly compete against since track is huge), or C. Schools with highly regarded programs for the more popular west indian professions.

All the in between state and other private are never heard of. My cousin got a full scholarship straight from home to some school i never heard of in a midwestern state and to this day i can't ever remember the name. She got in, got her degree, got out...lol. If it was a school we "rate" I would remember the name. Just how we are.

That said, I have heard of University of Michigan as a good school in general.

UVa? Never! Not till law school research did i hear of that school as being something to aim for!


Well, this makes sense. The fact that you're not from here, coupled with the fact that those school's Law Schools are vastly superior to their undergrands. Makes more sense now, but I can assure you that anyone worth working for would be keenly aware that these are good schools; this is especially true for law.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby miamiman » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:23 pm

Even in the west indies it's CC N

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby motiontodismiss » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:36 pm

legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.


This has to top the stupidest reasons to or not to choose a law school since I heard "local weather".

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby clintonius » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:44 pm

motiontodismiss wrote:
legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.
What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.
This has to top the stupidest reasons to or not to choose [strike]a law school since I heard "local weather"[/strike] to go to law school.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby SaintClarence27 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:46 pm

motiontodismiss wrote:
legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.


This has to top the stupidest reasons to or not to choose a law school since I heard "local weather".


Local weather isn't a bad reason at all. I'd never go to San Diego because I hate the weather there. If it's a regional school, and you hate the weather, it's reasonable to not go to the school. If it's a national school - say Chicago - and you hate the weather there, that might be a different story.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby legalized » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:42 am

clintonius wrote:Wait. So you're dismissing the schools that you found out were good when you actually *researched* the topic, and are sticking to the ones that tickled your fancy when you knew nothing? Do you see how that's foolish when it's put in those terms?


No, I am dismissing PAYING STICKER FOR those schools.

Why are people criticizing where I draw my line for STICKER PRICE? You all are being ridiculous. I am not paying sticker for a school that is only WELLLLLLLLLL known/only has its highest lay prestige in the legal world. I did say ANY employer would have to be able to automatically make special note of it in ANY field if I pay sticker for a law school.

If I got into one of those for sticker I could most likely get a great scholarship to one of my lesser schools.

But again, the thread is "where do you draw the line for sticker." Not where will you draw the line for ATTENDANCE.

RC fail for some of you.
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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby legalized » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:44 am

motiontodismiss wrote:
legalized wrote:
underachiever wrote:Yale
Harvard
[deleted cause i have zero interest]
Columbia

The only [edit: 3] schools where your as close to guaranteed as possible to get a 6-figure starting salary, to recoup the 200k in loans for school and the lost profitability of the 3 years during LS, quickly enough to make it worthwhile.


What underachiever said, incl. edits. :)

Some of those other top tens i never heard of the college itself until I started researching law school. I'm not paying 6 figures for a school noone but lawyers knows or cares about. If I'm spending that kind of money I need to know it will make ANY hiring manager perk up and pay attention in ANY field after I graduate...even 20 years from now.


This has to top the stupidest reasons to or not to choose a law school since I heard "local weather".


As I said, RC fail for some of you. These are not reasons to not choose a law school. These are reasons not to pay sticker for a law school. And since I am the one that would have to pay it back, there is no dumb personal reason NOT to pay sticker, actually, thank you!

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby motiontodismiss » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:48 am

Lay prestige is worthless. When you finish law school, LAWYERS (or former lawyers) will be your hiring managers, headhunters, and bosses, not nonlawyers. What they know to be good law schools is the only factor that matters. To hell with how it's regarded outside of the legal world. If you don't plan on practicing law, what's the point of even going to law school in the first place? Nobody should go to law school with the intention of eventually leaving the practice of law. There are much easier ways to get to where you want to be if your ultimate goal does NOT involve being a lawyer. Wanna be rich? Go to business school and make room for us people that ACTUALLY want to be lawyers.

Or are you one of those prestige whores that pathologically collect degrees?

To say that you won't pay sticker at NYU Law (not much prestige beyond legal circles) but you'll pay sticker for Duke (has lay prestige because of sports) is stupid, flawed reasoning, especially when NYU Law is clearly the better regarded law school. To say that if given the choice between NU Law and Cornell Law, both at sticker, and only those two schools, that you'll choose Cornell because it's an ivy and it has more worthless lay prestige when you want Chicago biglaw is stupid and flawed-NU is clearly the better law school for what you want if you want a job in Chicago, even if it has less "lay prestige".

In summation: What people think in the West Indies doesn't matter. What people outside of legal circles think doesn't matter. You bosses, hiring managers, headhunters, or anyone else that makes decisions about your standing in their firm will be lawyers or former lawyers. Like someone said above, anyone worth working for even outside of legal circles will know which the Top14 from their ass.

But hey, maybe when you've gone through the cycle you'll be more realistic.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby legalized » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:06 am

motiontodismiss wrote:Lay prestige is worthless. When you finish law school, LAWYERS (or former lawyers) will be your hiring managers, headhunters, and bosses, not nonlawyers. What they know to be good law schools is the only factor that matters. To hell with how it's regarded outside of the legal world. If you don't plan on practicing law, what's the point of even going to law school in the first place? Nobody should go to law school with the intention of eventually leaving the practice of law. There are much easier ways to get to where you want to be if your ultimate goal does NOT involve being a lawyer. Wanna be rich? Go to business school and make room for us people that ACTUALLY want to be lawyers.

Or are you one of those prestige whores that pathologically collect degrees?

To say that you won't pay sticker at NYU Law (not much prestige beyond legal circles) but you'll pay sticker for Duke (has lay prestige because of sports) is stupid, flawed reasoning, especially when NYU Law is clearly the better regarded law school. To say that if given the choice between NU Law and Cornell Law, both at sticker, and only those two schools, that you'll choose Cornell because it's an ivy and it has more worthless lay prestige when you want Chicago biglaw is stupid and flawed-NU is clearly the better law school for what you want if you want a job in Chicago, even if it has less "lay prestige".

In summation: What people think in the West Indies doesn't matter. What people outside of legal circles think doesn't matter. You bosses, hiring managers, headhunters, or anyone else that makes decisions about your standing in their firm will be lawyers or former lawyers. Like someone said above, anyone worth working for even outside of legal circles will know which the Top14 from their ass.

But hey, maybe when you've gone through the cycle you'll be more realistic.


1. People outside of the very top schools are having trouble getting jobs, even currently enrolled 2Ls and 3Ls have confirmed this right here on this board, so I don't need to go through the cycle to have the sense to observe the truth. Biglaw's opinion of these schools is what you're really saying matters, because it's biglaw that cares SOOO MUCH about the rankings...everybody else goes with the schools in their local area as far as where they recruit from for the most part. Let's be real most people won't get into biglaw and not everyone wants to, so for the vast majority that do NOT get a biglaw position, they would have been better off going to a more affordable school located in the geographic area in which they wish to practice.

2. The schools I listed that I would pay sticker price for are ALL ranked higher than any school you just listed, so what are you ON about "choosing a lower ranked school because of xyz"?

3. AGAIN this has nothing to do with what school I would ATTEND this thread is about where you would pay the full listed tuition and fees.

4. I said nothing about not intending to do law, but a significant amount of those who get law degrees end up in something else other than the practice of law (including those who go on to become politicians and U.S. presidents). This is whether they intended not to practice, or intended to practice but their life course took them elsewhere. Therefore, since statistics show a trend that is happening for WHATEVER reason, unlike most of you on this board, I am not going to drift away on the pretense that who wants biglaw gets biglaw, that biglaw is the most desirable occupation for a new grad, or that we will all be lawyers for the rest of our lives. We may intend it, but it may not happen that way, so me addressing that fact does not automatically mean I have no intentions of doing law. I plan my law school and legal job prospects based on what is happening to the middle 50% of those who went before me. Not the amazing life of the top 10-25%. I may become one of those but it is not a safe bet to make.

5. What people in the west indies think DOES matter, for the field of law i want to go in. Thank you for your amazing level of arrogance. Matter of fact since I'm West Indian and there are plenty of West Indians IN these United States, it matters not just what the ones still living there think but what the ones living HERE think as well. You have no idea what I want to do with my law degree and are jumping to arrogant conclusions that only lawyers' opinions are important. How RUDE. The lawyers/practices MOST of us are most likely to work for are the local small to midsized ones who hire from their local area, not the biglaw recruiters. The local ones obviously like to hire from their alma mater or any decent law school in the area, and do not hold their breath for the rankings.

6. In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for 0Ls on up to be prestige whores because the legal profession itself is obviously very much about either the national prestige/US news ranking of the school or the prestige of favoring those who went to the school you attended. If professionals working in biglaw and everywhere else can be so immature about it, why not the students and future students, if they so feel?

7. We are, as I keep saying, discussing where people would pay sticker. Not where they would go to the exclusion of every other school. I chose nearly the same choices as that poster underachiever. I am getting all kinds of b.s. responses as if I should be HAPPY to pay sticker anywhere that YOU guys feel is important...while underachiever got to make his or her opinion known in peace.

Good luck, but from what I can tell I am already far ahead of the curve on research and sensible approach to law school, and have seen some of my conclusions echoed in reports from in the field by peopel currently in law school. So I know I am right on the money with not being suckered into paying sticker for some 10th or 14th ranked school just because it's "T14." Haven't you all heard the news? When the going gets tough, biglaw digs deeper into the class pool AT THE TOP...they don't keep skimming off the top 5% (which most of us will not be) at the lesser schools. The few exceptions do not change the rule.

In case the geniuses arguing with me in here don't realize, paying sticker anywhere forces you to go biglaw to pay that off in any reasonable time, and that goes right back to the previous paragraph's realities.

Think. And stop having gut reactions because your preferred school isn't on my list. It's my list and my money I could put only TTTs on it as where i am willing to pay sticker if i feel like! Period!

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby EzraStiles » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:13 am

I guess the question for legalized shouldn't be where would you pay sticker at law school so much as it should be where could you pay sticker at law school. Because I'm willing to bet those three schools he/she listed are a tad out of his/her league.

Also, anyone who would think Georgetown is more prestigious than Penn or Chicago needs to seriously reconsider their criteria for determining prestige.
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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Flanker1067 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:14 am

motiontodismiss wrote:Lay prestige is worthless. When you finish law school, LAWYERS (or former lawyers) will be your hiring managers, headhunters, and bosses, not nonlawyers. What they know to be good law schools is the only factor that matters. To hell with how it's regarded outside of the legal world. If you don't plan on practicing law, what's the point of even going to law school in the first place? Nobody should go to law school with the intention of eventually leaving the practice of law. There are much easier ways to get to where you want to be if your ultimate goal does NOT involve being a lawyer. Wanna be rich? Go to business school and make room for us people that ACTUALLY want to be lawyers.

Or are you one of those prestige whores that pathologically collect degrees?

To say that you won't pay sticker at NYU Law (not much prestige beyond legal circles) but you'll pay sticker for Duke (has lay prestige because of sports) is stupid, flawed reasoning, especially when NYU Law is clearly the better regarded law school. To say that if given the choice between NU Law and Cornell Law, both at sticker, and only those two schools, that you'll choose Cornell because it's an ivy and it has more worthless lay prestige when you want Chicago biglaw is stupid and flawed-NU is clearly the better law school for what you want if you want a job in Chicago, even if it has less "lay prestige".

In summation: What people think in the West Indies doesn't matter. What people outside of legal circles think doesn't matter. You bosses, hiring managers, headhunters, or anyone else that makes decisions about your standing in their firm will be lawyers or former lawyers. Like someone said above, anyone worth working for even outside of legal circles will know which the Top14 from their ass.

But hey, maybe when you've gone through the cycle you'll be more realistic.



I don't entirely agree with anything that anyone has said in this thread, but you sir, are an idiot.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby miamiman » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:22 am

legalized wrote:
motiontodismiss wrote:Lay prestige is worthless. When you finish law school, LAWYERS (or former lawyers) will be your hiring managers, headhunters, and bosses, not nonlawyers. What they know to be good law schools is the only factor that matters. To hell with how it's regarded outside of the legal world. If you don't plan on practicing law, what's the point of even going to law school in the first place? Nobody should go to law school with the intention of eventually leaving the practice of law. There are much easier ways to get to where you want to be if your ultimate goal does NOT involve being a lawyer. Wanna be rich? Go to business school and make room for us people that ACTUALLY want to be lawyers.

Or are you one of those prestige whores that pathologically collect degrees?

To say that you won't pay sticker at NYU Law (not much prestige beyond legal circles) but you'll pay sticker for Duke (has lay prestige because of sports) is stupid, flawed reasoning, especially when NYU Law is clearly the better regarded law school. To say that if given the choice between NU Law and Cornell Law, both at sticker, and only those two schools, that you'll choose Cornell because it's an ivy and it has more worthless lay prestige when you want Chicago biglaw is stupid and flawed-NU is clearly the better law school for what you want if you want a job in Chicago, even if it has less "lay prestige".

In summation: What people think in the West Indies doesn't matter. What people outside of legal circles think doesn't matter. You bosses, hiring managers, headhunters, or anyone else that makes decisions about your standing in their firm will be lawyers or former lawyers. Like someone said above, anyone worth working for even outside of legal circles will know which the Top14 from their ass.

But hey, maybe when you've gone through the cycle you'll be more realistic.


1. People outside of the very top schools are having trouble getting jobs, even currently enrolled 2Ls and 3Ls have confirmed this right here on this board, so I don't need to go through the cycle to have the sense to observe the truth. Biglaw's opinion of these schools is what you're really saying matters, because it's biglaw that cares SOOO MUCH about the rankings...everybody else goes with the schools in their local area as far as where they recruit from for the most part. Let's be real most people won't get into biglaw and not everyone wants to, so for the vast majority that do NOT get a biglaw position, they would have been better off going to a more affordable school located in the geographic area in which they wish to practice.

2. The schools I listed that I would pay sticker price for are ALL ranked higher than any school you just listed, so what are you ON about "choosing a lower ranked school because of xyz"?

3. AGAIN this has nothing to do with what school I would ATTEND this thread is about where you would pay the full listed tuition and fees.

4. I said nothing about not intending to do law, but a significant amount of those who get law degrees end up in something else other than the practice of law (including those who go on to become politicians and U.S. presidents). This is whether they intended not to practice, or intended to practice but their life course took them elsewhere. Therefore, since statistics show a trend that is happening for WHATEVER reason, unlike most of you on this board, I am not going to drift away on the pretense that who wants biglaw gets biglaw, that biglaw is the most desirable occupation for a new grad, or that we will all be lawyers for the rest of our lives. We may intend it, but it may not happen that way, so me addressing that fact does not automatically mean I have no intentions of doing law. I plan my law school and legal job prospects based on what is happening to the middle 50% of those who went before me. Not the amazing life of the top 10-25%. I may become one of those but it is not a safe bet to make.

5. What people in the west indies think DOES matter, for the field of law i want to go in. Thank you for your amazing level of arrogance. Matter of fact since I'm West Indian and there are plenty of West Indians IN these United States, it matters not just what the ones still living there think but what the ones living HERE think as well. You have no idea what I want to do with my law degree and are jumping to arrogant conclusions that only lawyers' opinions are important. How RUDE. The lawyers/practices MOST of us are most likely to work for are the local small to midsized ones who hire from their local area, not the biglaw recruiters. The local ones obviously like to hire from their alma mater or any decent law school in the area, and do not hold their breath for the rankings.

6. In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for 0Ls on up to be prestige whores because the legal profession itself is obviously very much about either the national prestige/US news ranking of the school or the prestige of favoring those who went to the school you attended. If professionals working in biglaw and everywhere else can be so immature about it, why not the students and future students, if they so feel?

7. We are, as I keep saying, discussing where people would pay sticker. Not where they would go to the exclusion of every other school. I chose nearly the same choices as that poster underachiever. I am getting all kinds of b.s. responses as if I should be HAPPY to pay sticker anywhere that YOU guys feel is important...while underachiever got to make his or her opinion known in peace.

Good luck, but from what I can tell I am already far ahead of the curve on research and sensible approach to law school, and have seen some of my conclusions echoed in reports from in the field by peopel currently in law school. So I know I am right on the money with not being suckered into paying sticker for some 10th or 14th ranked school just because it's "T14." Haven't you all heard the news? When the going gets tough, biglaw digs deeper into the class pool AT THE TOP...they don't keep skimming off the top 5% (which most of us will not be) at the lesser schools. The few exceptions do not change the rule.

In case the geniuses arguing with me in here don't realize, paying sticker anywhere forces you to go biglaw to pay that off in any reasonable time, and that goes right back to the previous paragraph's realities.

Think. And stop having gut reactions because your preferred school isn't on my list. It's my list and my money I could put only TTTs on it as where i am willing to pay sticker if i feel like! Period!



This is maybe the dumbest rant I've read on tls yet.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Flanker1067 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:26 am

It's can't be dumber then the guy yesterday going on about how "the idea that U.S. law schools are a microcosm of America is laughable..."

Just sayin'

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby jcl2 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:19 am

miamiman wrote:
legalized wrote:
motiontodismiss wrote:Lay prestige is worthless. When you finish law school, LAWYERS (or former lawyers) will be your hiring managers, headhunters, and bosses, not nonlawyers. What they know to be good law schools is the only factor that matters. To hell with how it's regarded outside of the legal world. If you don't plan on practicing law, what's the point of even going to law school in the first place? Nobody should go to law school with the intention of eventually leaving the practice of law. There are much easier ways to get to where you want to be if your ultimate goal does NOT involve being a lawyer. Wanna be rich? Go to business school and make room for us people that ACTUALLY want to be lawyers.

Or are you one of those prestige whores that pathologically collect degrees?

To say that you won't pay sticker at NYU Law (not much prestige beyond legal circles) but you'll pay sticker for Duke (has lay prestige because of sports) is stupid, flawed reasoning, especially when NYU Law is clearly the better regarded law school. To say that if given the choice between NU Law and Cornell Law, both at sticker, and only those two schools, that you'll choose Cornell because it's an ivy and it has more worthless lay prestige when you want Chicago biglaw is stupid and flawed-NU is clearly the better law school for what you want if you want a job in Chicago, even if it has less "lay prestige".

In summation: What people think in the West Indies doesn't matter. What people outside of legal circles think doesn't matter. You bosses, hiring managers, headhunters, or anyone else that makes decisions about your standing in their firm will be lawyers or former lawyers. Like someone said above, anyone worth working for even outside of legal circles will know which the Top14 from their ass.

But hey, maybe when you've gone through the cycle you'll be more realistic.


1. People outside of the very top schools are having trouble getting jobs, even currently enrolled 2Ls and 3Ls have confirmed this right here on this board, so I don't need to go through the cycle to have the sense to observe the truth. Biglaw's opinion of these schools is what you're really saying matters, because it's biglaw that cares SOOO MUCH about the rankings...everybody else goes with the schools in their local area as far as where they recruit from for the most part. Let's be real most people won't get into biglaw and not everyone wants to, so for the vast majority that do NOT get a biglaw position, they would have been better off going to a more affordable school located in the geographic area in which they wish to practice.

2. The schools I listed that I would pay sticker price for are ALL ranked higher than any school you just listed, so what are you ON about "choosing a lower ranked school because of xyz"?

3. AGAIN this has nothing to do with what school I would ATTEND this thread is about where you would pay the full listed tuition and fees.

4. I said nothing about not intending to do law, but a significant amount of those who get law degrees end up in something else other than the practice of law (including those who go on to become politicians and U.S. presidents). This is whether they intended not to practice, or intended to practice but their life course took them elsewhere. Therefore, since statistics show a trend that is happening for WHATEVER reason, unlike most of you on this board, I am not going to drift away on the pretense that who wants biglaw gets biglaw, that biglaw is the most desirable occupation for a new grad, or that we will all be lawyers for the rest of our lives. We may intend it, but it may not happen that way, so me addressing that fact does not automatically mean I have no intentions of doing law. I plan my law school and legal job prospects based on what is happening to the middle 50% of those who went before me. Not the amazing life of the top 10-25%. I may become one of those but it is not a safe bet to make.

5. What people in the west indies think DOES matter, for the field of law i want to go in. Thank you for your amazing level of arrogance. Matter of fact since I'm West Indian and there are plenty of West Indians IN these United States, it matters not just what the ones still living there think but what the ones living HERE think as well. You have no idea what I want to do with my law degree and are jumping to arrogant conclusions that only lawyers' opinions are important. How RUDE. The lawyers/practices MOST of us are most likely to work for are the local small to midsized ones who hire from their local area, not the biglaw recruiters. The local ones obviously like to hire from their alma mater or any decent law school in the area, and do not hold their breath for the rankings.

6. In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for 0Ls on up to be prestige whores because the legal profession itself is obviously very much about either the national prestige/US news ranking of the school or the prestige of favoring those who went to the school you attended. If professionals working in biglaw and everywhere else can be so immature about it, why not the students and future students, if they so feel?

7. We are, as I keep saying, discussing where people would pay sticker. Not where they would go to the exclusion of every other school. I chose nearly the same choices as that poster underachiever. I am getting all kinds of b.s. responses as if I should be HAPPY to pay sticker anywhere that YOU guys feel is important...while underachiever got to make his or her opinion known in peace.

Good luck, but from what I can tell I am already far ahead of the curve on research and sensible approach to law school, and have seen some of my conclusions echoed in reports from in the field by peopel currently in law school. So I know I am right on the money with not being suckered into paying sticker for some 10th or 14th ranked school just because it's "T14." Haven't you all heard the news? When the going gets tough, biglaw digs deeper into the class pool AT THE TOP...they don't keep skimming off the top 5% (which most of us will not be) at the lesser schools. The few exceptions do not change the rule.

In case the geniuses arguing with me in here don't realize, paying sticker anywhere forces you to go biglaw to pay that off in any reasonable time, and that goes right back to the previous paragraph's realities.

Think. And stop having gut reactions because your preferred school isn't on my list. It's my list and my money I could put only TTTs on it as where i am willing to pay sticker if i feel like! Period!



This is maybe the dumbest rant I've read on tls yet.


You read all of that?

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby Grizz » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:32 pm

legalized wrote:
motiontodismiss wrote:Lay prestige is worthless. When you finish law school, LAWYERS (or former lawyers) will be your hiring managers, headhunters, and bosses, not nonlawyers. What they know to be good law schools is the only factor that matters. To hell with how it's regarded outside of the legal world. If you don't plan on practicing law, what's the point of even going to law school in the first place? Nobody should go to law school with the intention of eventually leaving the practice of law. There are much easier ways to get to where you want to be if your ultimate goal does NOT involve being a lawyer. Wanna be rich? Go to business school and make room for us people that ACTUALLY want to be lawyers.

Or are you one of those prestige whores that pathologically collect degrees?

To say that you won't pay sticker at NYU Law (not much prestige beyond legal circles) but you'll pay sticker for Duke (has lay prestige because of sports) is stupid, flawed reasoning, especially when NYU Law is clearly the better regarded law school. To say that if given the choice between NU Law and Cornell Law, both at sticker, and only those two schools, that you'll choose Cornell because it's an ivy and it has more worthless lay prestige when you want Chicago biglaw is stupid and flawed-NU is clearly the better law school for what you want if you want a job in Chicago, even if it has less "lay prestige".

In summation: What people think in the West Indies doesn't matter. What people outside of legal circles think doesn't matter. You bosses, hiring managers, headhunters, or anyone else that makes decisions about your standing in their firm will be lawyers or former lawyers. Like someone said above, anyone worth working for even outside of legal circles will know which the Top14 from their ass.

But hey, maybe when you've gone through the cycle you'll be more realistic.


1. People outside of the very top schools are having trouble getting jobs, even currently enrolled 2Ls and 3Ls have confirmed this right here on this board, so I don't need to go through the cycle to have the sense to observe the truth. Biglaw's opinion of these schools is what you're really saying matters, because it's biglaw that cares SOOO MUCH about the rankings...everybody else goes with the schools in their local area as far as where they recruit from for the most part. Let's be real most people won't get into biglaw and not everyone wants to, so for the vast majority that do NOT get a biglaw position, they would have been better off going to a more affordable school located in the geographic area in which they wish to practice.

2. The schools I listed that I would pay sticker price for are ALL ranked higher than any school you just listed, so what are you ON about "choosing a lower ranked school because of xyz"?

3. AGAIN this has nothing to do with what school I would ATTEND this thread is about where you would pay the full listed tuition and fees.

4. I said nothing about not intending to do law, but a significant amount of those who get law degrees end up in something else other than the practice of law (including those who go on to become politicians and U.S. presidents). This is whether they intended not to practice, or intended to practice but their life course took them elsewhere. Therefore, since statistics show a trend that is happening for WHATEVER reason, unlike most of you on this board, I am not going to drift away on the pretense that who wants biglaw gets biglaw, that biglaw is the most desirable occupation for a new grad, or that we will all be lawyers for the rest of our lives. We may intend it, but it may not happen that way, so me addressing that fact does not automatically mean I have no intentions of doing law. I plan my law school and legal job prospects based on what is happening to the middle 50% of those who went before me. Not the amazing life of the top 10-25%. I may become one of those but it is not a safe bet to make.

5. What people in the west indies think DOES matter, for the field of law i want to go in. Thank you for your amazing level of arrogance. Matter of fact since I'm West Indian and there are plenty of West Indians IN these United States, it matters not just what the ones still living there think but what the ones living HERE think as well. You have no idea what I want to do with my law degree and are jumping to arrogant conclusions that only lawyers' opinions are important. How RUDE. The lawyers/practices MOST of us are most likely to work for are the local small to midsized ones who hire from their local area, not the biglaw recruiters. The local ones obviously like to hire from their alma mater or any decent law school in the area, and do not hold their breath for the rankings.

6. In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for 0Ls on up to be prestige whores because the legal profession itself is obviously very much about either the national prestige/US news ranking of the school or the prestige of favoring those who went to the school you attended. If professionals working in biglaw and everywhere else can be so immature about it, why not the students and future students, if they so feel?

7. We are, as I keep saying, discussing where people would pay sticker. Not where they would go to the exclusion of every other school. I chose nearly the same choices as that poster underachiever. I am getting all kinds of b.s. responses as if I should be HAPPY to pay sticker anywhere that YOU guys feel is important...while underachiever got to make his or her opinion known in peace.

Good luck, but from what I can tell I am already far ahead of the curve on research and sensible approach to law school, and have seen some of my conclusions echoed in reports from in the field by peopel currently in law school. So I know I am right on the money with not being suckered into paying sticker for some 10th or 14th ranked school just because it's "T14." Haven't you all heard the news? When the going gets tough, biglaw digs deeper into the class pool AT THE TOP...they don't keep skimming off the top 5% (which most of us will not be) at the lesser schools. The few exceptions do not change the rule.

In case the geniuses arguing with me in here don't realize, paying sticker anywhere forces you to go biglaw to pay that off in any reasonable time, and that goes right back to the previous paragraph's realities.

Think. And stop having gut reactions because your preferred school isn't on my list. It's my list and my money I could put only TTTs on it as where i am willing to pay sticker if i feel like! Period!


TL;DR, probably a lame rant anyways.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby glowhard » Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:19 pm

I'd do anything with a good LRAP at sticker. Or with IBR, I guess I'd go anywhere (?)

I wasn't looking at sticker anywhere so I never had to make this decision... but I would have probably balked a bit at paying sticker for anything besides HYSCoNB (just based on my own preferences- combined with my perception that those schools have the best shot of getting the type of PI jobs I might want.)

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby dibs » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:46 pm

TL;DR, probably a lame rant anyways.


i have no vested interested in this debate other than my own entertainment. really just lurking.

however, when prospective law students claim "tl;dr" as a method of dismissing something, doesn't that strike you as fairly ironic? aren't you going to be spending 3 years reading as much as humanly possible in order to effectively understand and assess differing sides of an argument?

i find it funny.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby SaintClarence27 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:18 pm

dibs wrote:
TL;DR, probably a lame rant anyways.


i have no vested interested in this debate other than my own entertainment. really just lurking.

however, when prospective law students claim "tl;dr" as a method of dismissing something, doesn't that strike you as fairly ironic? aren't you going to be spending 3 years reading as much as humanly possible in order to effectively understand and assess differing sides of an argument?

i find it funny.


The Socratic Method during 1L will be especially funny.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby acdisagod » Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:30 pm

dibs wrote:
TL;DR, probably a lame rant anyways.


i have no vested interested in this debate other than my own entertainment. really just lurking.

however, when prospective law students claim "tl;dr" as a method of dismissing something, doesn't that strike you as fairly ironic? aren't you going to be spending 3 years reading as much as humanly possible in order to effectively understand and assess differing sides of an argument?

i find it funny.



Reading law books to get a good and find gainful employment has nothing to do with reading a random post on the internet, hth.

And yes, you may lol at the fact that as a 0L I think that there is still gainful employment out there.

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Re: Where did you draw the line for sticker?

Postby SaintClarence27 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:43 pm

acdisagod wrote:
dibs wrote:
TL;DR, probably a lame rant anyways.


i have no vested interested in this debate other than my own entertainment. really just lurking.

however, when prospective law students claim "tl;dr" as a method of dismissing something, doesn't that strike you as fairly ironic? aren't you going to be spending 3 years reading as much as humanly possible in order to effectively understand and assess differing sides of an argument?

i find it funny.



Reading law books to get a good and find gainful employment has nothing to do with reading a random post on the internet, hth.

And yes, you may lol at the fact that as a 0L I think that there is still gainful employment out there.


Silly 0L. Don't you know that the world will end before we graduate?

http://www.cracked.com/article_16583_5-scientific-experiments-most-likely-end-world.html




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