motiontodismiss wrote:Lay prestige is worthless. When you finish law school, LAWYERS (or former lawyers) will be your hiring managers, headhunters, and bosses, not nonlawyers. What they know to be good law schools is the only factor that matters. To hell with how it's regarded outside of the legal world. If you don't plan on practicing law, what's the point of even going to law school in the first place? Nobody should go to law school with the intention of eventually leaving the practice of law. There are much easier ways to get to where you want to be if your ultimate goal does NOT involve being a lawyer. Wanna be rich? Go to business school and make room for us people that ACTUALLY want to be lawyers.
Or are you one of those prestige whores that pathologically collect degrees?
To say that you won't pay sticker at NYU Law (not much prestige beyond legal circles) but you'll pay sticker for Duke (has lay prestige because of sports) is stupid, flawed reasoning, especially when NYU Law is clearly the better regarded law school. To say that if given the choice between NU Law and Cornell Law, both at sticker, and only those two schools, that you'll choose Cornell because it's an ivy and it has more worthless lay prestige when you want Chicago biglaw is stupid and flawed-NU is clearly the better law school for what you want if you want a job in Chicago, even if it has less "lay prestige".
In summation: What people think in the West Indies doesn't matter. What people outside of legal circles think doesn't matter. You bosses, hiring managers, headhunters, or anyone else that makes decisions about your standing in their firm will be lawyers or former lawyers. Like someone said above, anyone worth working for even outside of legal circles will know which the Top14 from their ass.
But hey, maybe when you've gone through the cycle you'll be more realistic.
1. People outside of the very top schools are having trouble getting jobs, even currently enrolled 2Ls and 3Ls have confirmed this right here on this board, so I don't need to go through the cycle to have the sense to observe the truth. Biglaw's opinion of these schools is what you're really saying matters, because it's biglaw that cares SOOO MUCH about the rankings...everybody else goes with the schools in their local area as far as where they recruit from for the most part. Let's be real most people won't get into biglaw and not everyone wants to, so for the vast majority that do NOT get a biglaw position, they would have been better off going to a more affordable school located in the geographic area in which they wish to practice.
2. The schools I listed that I would pay sticker price for are ALL ranked higher than any school you just listed, so what are you ON about "choosing a lower ranked school because of xyz"?
3. AGAIN this has nothing to do with what school I would ATTEND this thread is about where you would pay the full listed tuition and fees.
4. I said nothing about not intending to do law, but a significant amount of those who get law degrees end up in something else other than the practice of law (including those who go on to become politicians and U.S. presidents). This is whether they intended not to practice, or intended to practice but their life course took them elsewhere. Therefore, since statistics show a trend that is happening for WHATEVER reason, unlike most of you on this board, I am not going to drift away on the pretense that who wants biglaw gets biglaw, that biglaw is the most desirable occupation for a new grad, or that we will all be lawyers for the rest of our lives. We may intend it, but it may not happen that way, so me addressing that fact does not automatically mean I have no intentions of doing law. I plan my law school and legal job prospects based on what is happening to the middle 50% of those who went before me. Not the amazing life of the top 10-25%. I may become one of those but it is not a safe bet to make.
5. What people in the west indies think DOES matter, for the field of law i want to go in. Thank you for your amazing level of arrogance. Matter of fact since I'm West Indian and there are plenty of West Indians IN these United States, it matters not just what the ones still living there think but what the ones living HERE think as well. You have no idea what I want to do with my law degree and are jumping to arrogant conclusions that only lawyers' opinions are important. How RUDE. The lawyers/practices MOST of us are most likely to work for are the local small to midsized ones who hire from their local area, not the biglaw recruiters. The local ones obviously like to hire from their alma mater or any decent law school in the area, and do not hold their breath for the rankings.
6. In my opinion it is perfectly reasonable for 0Ls on up to be prestige whores because the legal profession itself is obviously very much about either the national prestige/US news ranking of the school or the prestige of favoring those who went to the school you attended. If professionals working in biglaw and everywhere else can be so immature about it, why not the students and future students, if they so feel?
7. We are, as I keep saying, discussing where people would pay sticker. Not where they would go to the exclusion of every other school. I chose nearly the same choices as that poster underachiever. I am getting all kinds of b.s. responses as if I should be HAPPY to pay sticker anywhere that YOU guys feel is important...while underachiever got to make his or her opinion known in peace.
Good luck, but from what I can tell I am already far ahead of the curve on research and sensible approach to law school, and have seen some of my conclusions echoed in reports from in the field by peopel currently in law school. So I know I am right on the money with not being suckered into paying sticker for some 10th or 14th ranked school just because it's "T14." Haven't you all heard the news? When the going gets tough, biglaw digs deeper into the class pool AT THE TOP...they don't keep skimming off the top 5% (which most of us will not be) at the lesser schools. The few exceptions do not change the rule.
In case the geniuses arguing with me in here don't realize, paying sticker anywhere forces you to go biglaw to pay that off in any reasonable time, and that goes right back to the previous paragraph's realities.
Think. And stop having gut reactions because your preferred school isn't on my list. It's my list and my money I could put only TTTs on it as where i am willing to pay sticker if i feel like! Period!