Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

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Which one?

NYU (sticker)
19
17%
Penn ($45k)
28
24%
Duke ($72k)
19
17%
Cornell($120k)
49
43%
 
Total votes: 115

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Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby rhapsodyinazul » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:07 pm

Really having a rough time with this decision, so I'd thought I consult TLS.

I'm from the PNW, and wouldn't mind coming back here, but I'm really looking for a school that could travel well while not putting me in to a tremendous mountain of debt. NYU seems like it would offer the best prospects but paying sticker is definitely scary. I really liked the Penn, Duke, and Cornell campuses, but I don't want to close any doors if I can avoid it. I'm a bit open as to what kind of law I want to practice, but I imagine I would gravitate towards biglaw, though I'm open to PI work.

Still waiting on an appeal from NYU, but I don't think they're gonna come through. Cornell graciously offered me a few extra days to decide, as I received my acceptance and scholarship fairly late.

Help? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby nealric » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:09 pm

That's a tough one. I would go for either NYU or Cornell. Which one depends on how risk adverse you are.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby underachiever » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:12 pm

Cornell...a T14 full ride is hard to turn down for anything but HYS
You get ZERO stress, a 50% shot at getting a Biglaw job (only if you want it-dont need it for the $), and still have a prestigious/Ivy league school name on you Resume

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby prezidentv8 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:17 pm

For me, all options are wins except NYU sticker.

DISCLAIMER: In love with Duke and have a crush on Penn.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby showNprove » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:30 pm

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby Chairman » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:31 pm

You'd be better off comapring your options based on total cost of attendance. IIRC, Cornell tuition is 6-7k/yr higher than Duke or NYU. Also, COL is gonna vary tremendously among your schools.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby rhapsodyinazul » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:58 pm

Chairman wrote:You'd be better off comapring your options based on total cost of attendance. IIRC, Cornell tuition is 6-7k/yr higher than Duke or NYU. Also, COL is gonna vary tremendously among your schools.


Thanks, good point. with the scholarships, the breakdown in total COA looks like:

NYU: $210,050
Penn: $151,830
Duke: $118,506
Cornell: $89,250

In terms of other preferences, I would say I'd want a school with good portability and internship/job, though I suppose all of the four fit the bill at least somewhat.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby lawblahblah » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:05 pm

I was facing almost the exact same situation this past weekend. My NYU offer was a little more, but the Duke one was less. My seat deposit is on its way to Cornell right now.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby awesomepossum » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:07 pm

underachiever wrote:Cornell...a T14 full ride is hard to turn down for anything but HYS
You get ZERO stress, a 50% shot at getting a Biglaw job (only if you want it-dont need it for the $), and still have a prestigious/Ivy league school name on you Resume



zero stress? how do you figure? the possibility of unemployment or underemployment is pretty stressful even without debt.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby thickfreakness » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:09 pm

Stay in the T12, go to Duke or Penn.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:12 pm

Penn or Duke.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:15 pm

Cornell. Places just as well as Penn or Duke.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby scribelaw » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:16 pm

Duke.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby thickfreakness » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:21 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Cornell. Places just as well as Penn or Duke.


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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:24 pm

thickfreakness wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Cornell. Places just as well as Penn or Duke.


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Not joking.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby tamlyric » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:26 pm

Ithaca is gorges. :wink:

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby KMaine » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:36 pm

awesomepossum wrote:
underachiever wrote:Cornell...a T14 full ride is hard to turn down for anything but HYS
You get ZERO stress, a 50% shot at getting a Biglaw job (only if you want it-dont need it for the $), and still have a prestigious/Ivy league school name on you Resume



zero stress? how do you figure? the possibility of unemployment or underemployment is pretty stressful even without debt.


B/C this would never happen @ Duke or Penn???

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby awesomepossum » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:47 pm

KMaine wrote:
awesomepossum wrote:
underachiever wrote:Cornell...a T14 full ride is hard to turn down for anything but HYS
You get ZERO stress, a 50% shot at getting a Biglaw job (only if you want it-dont need it for the $), and still have a prestigious/Ivy league school name on you Resume



zero stress? how do you figure? the possibility of unemployment or underemployment is pretty stressful even without debt.


B/C this would never happen @ Duke or Penn???



uhhh......what?

My point (which I thought would be obvious) is that even without the risk of debt, law school is stressful due to the possibility of unemployment or underemployment.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby beesknees » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:06 pm

Basically you have 2 competing interests and one has to win out. If you don't want to amass a nasty pile of debt, you have to forego something in return. So it depends on your personal comfort level with debt. We can speculate all day how much of a cut in prospects you'd really be taking if you went to Cornell instead of Penn or Duke, but I'd suggest you look at each of these school's placement in the type of employment your seeking. Easy way to check is look at their NLJ 250 firm placement, federal clerkships, etc. If you're aiming for Vault 100, then take a look at some of the firms there and where those associates went to school.

Ultimately it will come down to an approximation of your relative chance at landing that kind of employment and whether or not you consider that extra % being worth the extra debt.

I'd wager to say that taking a T14 at a $120k discount isn't a bad idea, as I suspect the difference in placement percentages between Cornell and Penn or Duke will be in the 5-10% range, but I'm too lazy to actually look it up.

Good luck. Congrats on your great options!

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby awesomepossum » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:21 pm




I love how you cherry pick your data to choose the slightly old data. hahahaha.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:23 pm

awesomepossum wrote:



I love how you cherry pick your data to choose the slightly old data. hahahaha.


I included 2009 data, I just don't have a nice chart. I looked for a good 5 minutes for one.

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:26 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
awesomepossum wrote:



I love how you cherry pick your data to choose the slightly old data. hahahaha.


I included 2009 data, I just don't have a nice chart. I looked for a good 5 minutes for one.


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15951/TLS%3ALS/ ... page12.pdf

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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby awesomepossum » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:31 pm

I wonder if anybody has this chart handy....there's one out there with schools broken down to show firm hiring + clerkships and all the different categories. It was an awfully nifty chart. I have no recollection of where it is anymore though. The data on that sucker is probably old too though.

It's nice because if you just look at those NLJ charts, it looks like Yale sucks...which is obviously the wrong conclusion. Clerkship hiring is relevant because many of the top students go to clerkships and rack up nice bonuses for their troubles when they start.

A person going to a given law school doesn't really care about HOW MANY people get firm jobs. They care more about HOW HARD it is to get that job. More concretely, how deep firms are willing to go into the class. Charts that include the other opportunities, specifically clerkships (because they're arguably more desirable to lots of smarties than firm jobs) are more reflective of that.
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Re: Poll: NYU(sticker) vs Penn$ vs Duke $$ vs Cornell $$$$

Postby 09042014 » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:32 pm

awesomepossum wrote:I wonder if anybody has this chart handy....there's one out there with schools broken down to show firm hiring + clerkships and all the different categories. It was an awfully nifty chart. I have no recollection of where it is anymore though. The data on that sucker is probably old too though.

It's nice because if you just look at those NLJ charts, it looks like Yale sucks...which is obviously the wrong conclusion. Clerkship hiring is relevant because many of the top students go to clerkships and rack up nice bonuses for their troubles when they start.


Someone did one but they include 2009 NLJ data with 2008 clerkship data. I'm not sure if 2009 clerkship data is out yet.




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