Gaming Law, working for a casino, prosecuting cheaters

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Gaming Law, working for a casino, prosecuting cheaters

Postby Generic20101L » Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:27 pm

I would assume UNLV would be the choice but they don't have any type of a gaming law program other than 1 or 2 classes and a journal.

Who prosecutes cheaters at casinos? Does the government do it or do the casinos have their own lawyers?

Do other schools have gaming law programs?

TIA

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Postby Aristone » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:31 am

Honestly...UNLV or any schools that are heavy hitters in the NJ market would be key. I work at a firm with a big gaming practice and a lot of those lawyers went to Rutgers, Temple, Nova, Penn, etc. (for Atlantic City in case that wasn't clear).

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Postby prezidentv8 » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:33 am

Aristone wrote:Honestly...UNLV or any schools that are heavy hitters in the NJ market would be key. I work at a firm with a big gaming practice and a lot of those lawyers went to Rutgers, Temple, Nova, Penn, etc. (for Atlantic City in case that wasn't clear).


New Jersey?! Princeton law is T3 in Video Poker Law! Obv. choice :roll:

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Postby thickfreakness » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:36 am

Join the mob, get a horse's head (etc.), and deal with cheaters the right way. :evil:

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Postby Renzo » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:54 am

thickfreakness wrote:Join the mob, get a horse's head (etc.), and deal with cheaters the right way. :evil:

You are supposed to use their horse's head, not supply your own. Just for future reference.

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Postby Aristone » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:57 am

Prezident, what a stupid comment. New Jersey has the second largest gambling market in America and many large firms have AC/Princeton based offices that do primarily Gaming. Look at Duane Morris, Fox Rothschild, Greenberg, etc. Why would you cut out an entire market simple due to your georgraphic prejudice? It's not Las Vegas...but even some of the firms listed above have big Vegas presence. If you want to dispense terrible advice...go back to xoxo.

That being said, I didn't go to a NJ school...but do work for a firm with a big gaming presence in AC. And the happiest lawyers I've ever talked to are in our gaming practice...it's good to keep all options open. Jerk. Jk.

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Postby Generic20101L » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:26 am

Are there firms of gaming lawyers in Las Vegas?

There is little to no information on the internet about it. Half the google hits I get are about video/computer game law.

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Postby woeisme » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:48 am

Generic20101L wrote:I would assume UNLV would be the choice but they don't have any type of a gaming law program other than 1 or 2 classes and a journal.

Who prosecutes cheaters at casinos? Does the government do it or do the casinos have their own lawyers?

Do other schools have gaming law programs?

TIA


Sounds like a lot more than any other school, no?

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Postby Generic20101L » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:54 am

woeisme wrote:
Generic20101L wrote:I would assume UNLV would be the choice but they don't have any type of a gaming law program other than 1 or 2 classes and a journal.

Who prosecutes cheaters at casinos? Does the government do it or do the casinos have their own lawyers?

Do other schools have gaming law programs?

TIA


Sounds like a lot more than any other school, no?


Yeah, I just thought since they are literally 2 minutes from the strip with the world's biggest and best casinos that they might have an official program.

Still want to know about who prosecutes cheaters and who does the liability work like people fighting or doing stupid stuff in casinos.

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Postby pleasetryagain » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:42 pm

wikipedia: wrote:Cheating in casinos refers to actions which are prohibited by a casino's rules. Cheating is usually illegal but the exact sanctions will depend on the jurisdiction in which the casino operates. In Nevada, cheating in a casino is a felony under Nevada law. In most other jurisdictions, specific statutes do not exist, but cheating in a casino would likely be considered fraud and dealt with as such by the authorities.


I assume from this that the state would handle prosecution of felony cheaters. The same would probably apply in other states but they would be prosecuted for fraud. As far as who handles liability issues in the casino, I would imagine any in house lawyer/outsourced law firm would handle any lawsuits against the casino - I cant imagine it differs much from any other business.

..either that or Joe Pesci and a vice clamp.

also see:
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/

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Postby Mr. Pablo » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:34 pm

You might also look at the businesses that handle gambling facility operations and equipment (places like racetracks and slot-only places and riverboat type places as well as casinos), and see where they are based. Scientific Games is one company that does a lot of that, they are based in NYC, and I would be willing to guess that many others are there as well. I would guess that a company like S.G. would use a NY based firm for a lot of its legal needs.

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Postby PhantaManta » Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:47 pm

pleasetryagain wrote:
wikipedia: wrote:Cheating in casinos refers to actions which are prohibited by a casino's rules. Cheating is usually illegal but the exact sanctions will depend on the jurisdiction in which the casino operates. In Nevada, cheating in a casino is a felony under Nevada law. In most other jurisdictions, specific statutes do not exist, but cheating in a casino would likely be considered fraud and dealt with as such by the authorities.


I assume from this that the state would handle prosecution of felony cheaters. The same would probably apply in other states but they would be prosecuted for fraud. As far as who handles liability issues in the casino, I would imagine any in house lawyer/outsourced law firm would handle any lawsuits against the casino - I cant imagine it differs much from any other business.

..either that or Joe Pesci and a vice clamp.

also see:
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/


Charlie M? You made me pop your fuckin' eye out of your head to protect that piece of shit? Charlie M? You dumb motherfucker!

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Postby TTH » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:56 am

The key to gaming law is negotiation, which any school can teach. Specifically, you need to know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away and know when to run. Never count your money while you're sitting at the table. There'll be time enough for counting when the dealing's done.

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Postby pleasetryagain » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:03 am

TipTravHoot wrote:The key to gaming law is negotiation, which any school can teach. Specifically, you need to know when to hold 'em. Know when to fold 'em. Know when to walk away and know when to run. Never count your money while you're sitting at the table. There'll be time enough for counting when the dealing's done.


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Postby CanadianWolf » Sun Apr 18, 2010 6:40 pm

Many casinos are on tribal land & prosecution decision & enforcement might be in their jurisdiction. Top law school for Indian Law is, to the best of my knowledge, the University of New Mexico.

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Postby blackacre » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:17 pm

Aristone wrote:Prezident, what a stupid comment. New Jersey has the second largest gambling market in America and many large firms have AC/Princeton based offices that do primarily Gaming. Look at Duane Morris, Fox Rothschild, Greenberg, etc. Why would you cut out an entire market simple due to your georgraphic prejudice? It's not Las Vegas...but even some of the firms listed above have big Vegas presence. If you want to dispense terrible advice...go back to xoxo.

That being said, I didn't go to a NJ school...but do work for a firm with a big gaming presence in AC. And the happiest lawyers I've ever talked to are in our gaming practice...it's good to keep all options open. Jerk. Jk.



Can you provide a little more information about this? I am interested in this area but I have no idea where to begin or how to break into this field. My school is randomly offering Tribal Gaming law next semester and I want to know more about gaming in general. What does your firm do? Did the people in that firm get hired right out of school or are they mostly lateral hires? Any information is greatly appreciated!

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Postby kalvano » Sat May 01, 2010 12:21 am

Generic20101L wrote:Who prosecutes cheaters at casinos?



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Postby smalltown » Sat May 01, 2010 12:38 am

CanadianWolf wrote:Top law school for Indian Law is, to the best of my knowledge, the University of New Mexico.


We ain't so bad at it up here in Boulder, either.

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Postby DerrickRose » Sat May 01, 2010 1:22 am

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"Counting cards is not illegal. Its just frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane"

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Postby pleasetryagain » Sat May 01, 2010 5:59 am

DerrickRose wrote:--ImageRemoved--

"Counting cards is not illegal. Its just frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane"


:oops:

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Postby kalvano » Sat May 01, 2010 12:03 pm

Thanks a lot, Bin Laden!

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Postby blackacre » Wed May 05, 2010 6:48 pm

bizump

still waiting on that insight Aristone

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Re: Gaming Law, working for a casino, prosecuting cheaters

Postby Aristone » Fri May 07, 2010 12:09 pm

Gaming law is a tough area to break into. I know my firm has a presence in both Vegas and AC and hires kids right out of law school. Also, I once interviewed at now-defunct Wolf Block for a gaming position while in law school (thank Jebus I did not take it). That being said, I think it's mainly been lateral hires going to our Vegas/AC office as of lately, but as the market picks up and casino activity does as well...that only makes the odds greater of you landind a position.

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Postby blackacre » Mon May 10, 2010 6:07 am

Aristone wrote:Gaming law is a tough area to break into. I know my firm has a presence in both Vegas and AC and hires kids right out of law school. Also, I once interviewed at now-defunct Wolf Block for a gaming position while in law school (thank Jebus I did not take it). That being said, I think it's mainly been lateral hires going to our Vegas/AC office as of lately, but as the market picks up and casino activity does as well...that only makes the odds greater of you landind a position.


Thanks! What firm do you work for? what size?

And what kinds of kids were hired right out of law school? is it the usual criteria used for big law firms?

did you notice a specialization in courses from those hires?

what were the laterals doing before getting to your firm. and lastly, what do lawyers in this field do? :lol: But really, what do Casinos normally need lawyers for?

Thanks so much for the info!




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