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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby 98234872348 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 7:58 pm

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mistergoft wrote:[strike]Yes but you have to make a certain minimum amount to qualify for IBR and it is limited to specific jobs. Therefore, if I take the IBR route after I get shitpwned at OCI by firms that are tentative about hiring grads in the top half T10s, I am basically circumscribed to living off of a mediocre salary for the rest of the life of my loan. If I end up getting a job that pays somewhat decently 3 to 5 years down the road, which isn't an unreasonable proposition if somehow miraculously obtain some sort of a job giving me decent legal experience, I'll be saddled with 100k more debt (and probably significantly more than that if I am letting interest accrue). Like I said, it's a risk; if he's not risk averse, I say shoot for the stars. Just remember that Fordham isn't going to give you a SIGNIFICANTLY better chance (read: better than 20% at best) at a job in a big firm[/strike]...


i dunno dude...looks like any job qualifies for ibr, and it's based on a percentage of your disposable income. the only time you'd pay the regular "full" monthly payment is if that percentage of disposable income exceeds the regular amount. just plugging it into the calculator, if you had 200k in outstanding loans and had a job earning 100k, you'd still qualify.

http://www.ibrinfo.org/

Interesting. I was misinformed and apologize.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby de5igual » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:00 pm

mistergoft wrote:
f0bolous wrote:
mistergoft wrote:[strike]Yes but you have to make a certain minimum amount to qualify for IBR and it is limited to specific jobs. Therefore, if I take the IBR route after I get shitpwned at OCI by firms that are tentative about hiring grads in the top half T10s, I am basically circumscribed to living off of a mediocre salary for the rest of the life of my loan. If I end up getting a job that pays somewhat decently 3 to 5 years down the road, which isn't an unreasonable proposition if somehow miraculously obtain some sort of a job giving me decent legal experience, I'll be saddled with 100k more debt (and probably significantly more than that if I am letting interest accrue). Like I said, it's a risk; if he's not risk averse, I say shoot for the stars. Just remember that Fordham isn't going to give you a SIGNIFICANTLY better chance (read: better than 20% at best) at a job in a big firm[/strike]...


i dunno dude...looks like any job qualifies for ibr, and it's based on a percentage of your disposable income. the only time you'd pay the regular "full" monthly payment is if that percentage of disposable income exceeds the regular amount. just plugging it into the calculator, if you had 200k in outstanding loans and had a job earning 100k, you'd still qualify.

http://www.ibrinfo.org/

Interesting. I was misinformed and apologize.


no worries dude. i just started reading that up today...i guess it takes most of the risk out of going anywhere sticker

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby hellokitty » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:01 pm

IAFG wrote: you will not make more money than a secretary out of the LSs you have a shot at, and frankly will be worse off when you factor in debt.

also, no, you aren't too smart for any job.


Disagreed.

I put a lot of time and effort into my education and it shows in my GPA and on my resume. I'm not just going to not go to law school because of an average LSAT score. To you guys, yeah it's "low" but nationally it's average. I'll just try again, and even if I make the same score, I'm pretty sure I still have a shot at Boalt at least. They have taken lower LSATs and GPAs. I made it to Faculty Review last time even with my LSAT score. I bet I'd be in next cycle with even just a slight increase. :D

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby Core » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:02 pm

existenz wrote:
Core wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:
Core wrote:Michigan - 45k
Penn - 78k
Berkeley - 48k

Want to do PI in NYC. Interested in doing a biglaw stint for a year or two. Also willing and interested in working in D.C.


With those numbers and that goal, I'm inclined to say "what happened to CLS and NYU?"

MEAN.
I'm still waiting to hear from HLS, SLS, and CLS.

If your ultimate goal is PI, take the full ride at UCLA.

I'm not interested in working in LA. I'm told UCLA's not great for NYC.
I would also like to get a bit of firm experience first.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby IAFG » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:03 pm

hellokitty wrote:
IAFG wrote: you will not make more money than a secretary out of the LSs you have a shot at, and frankly will be worse off when you factor in debt.

also, no, you aren't too smart for any job.


Disagreed.

I put a lot of time and effort into my education and it shows in my GPA and on my resume. I'm not just going to not go to law school because of an average LSAT score. To you guys, yeah it's "low" but nationally it's average. I'll just try again, and even if I make the same score, I'm pretty sure I still have a shot at Boalt at least. They have taken lower LSATs and GPAs. I made it to Faculty Review last time even with my LSAT score. I bet I'd be in next cycle with even just a slight increase. :D

so you are going to put your life on hold for another year on the prayer that Berk (your only real hope) will like you better next year. brilliant.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby 98234872348 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:04 pm

f0bolous wrote:
mistergoft wrote:
f0bolous wrote:
mistergoft wrote:[strike]Yes but you have to make a certain minimum amount to qualify for IBR and it is limited to specific jobs. Therefore, if I take the IBR route after I get shitpwned at OCI by firms that are tentative about hiring grads in the top half T10s, I am basically circumscribed to living off of a mediocre salary for the rest of the life of my loan. If I end up getting a job that pays somewhat decently 3 to 5 years down the road, which isn't an unreasonable proposition if somehow miraculously obtain some sort of a job giving me decent legal experience, I'll be saddled with 100k more debt (and probably significantly more than that if I am letting interest accrue). Like I said, it's a risk; if he's not risk averse, I say shoot for the stars. Just remember that Fordham isn't going to give you a SIGNIFICANTLY better chance (read: better than 20% at best) at a job in a big firm[/strike]...


i dunno dude...looks like any job qualifies for ibr, and it's based on a percentage of your disposable income. the only time you'd pay the regular "full" monthly payment is if that percentage of disposable income exceeds the regular amount. just plugging it into the calculator, if you had 200k in outstanding loans and had a job earning 100k, you'd still qualify.

http://www.ibrinfo.org/

Interesting. I was misinformed and apologize.


no worries dude. i just started reading that up today...i guess it takes most of the risk out of going anywhere sticker

Indeed, it makes my entire transfer calculus change dramatically. Thanks for the info.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby klussy » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:06 pm

George Mason- instate (20k/yr + DC COL)
W&L-10k scholly (27k/yr)

which has better employment? would I miss out on internships/networking at W&L?

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby hellokitty » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:07 pm

IAFG wrote:
hellokitty wrote:
IAFG wrote: you will not make more money than a secretary out of the LSs you have a shot at, and frankly will be worse off when you factor in debt.

also, no, you aren't too smart for any job.


Disagreed.

I put a lot of time and effort into my education and it shows in my GPA and on my resume. I'm not just going to not go to law school because of an average LSAT score. To you guys, yeah it's "low" but nationally it's average. I'll just try again, and even if I make the same score, I'm pretty sure I still have a shot at Boalt at least. They have taken lower LSATs and GPAs. I made it to Faculty Review last time even with my LSAT score. I bet I'd be in next cycle with even just a slight increase. :D

so you are going to put your life on hold for another year on the prayer that Berk (your only real hope) will like you better next year. brilliant.


I'm gonna apply to Stanford too. :) But yes, that sounds about right. If I don't increase my score, I'll go to Hastings or Davis or maybe with a really good essay UCB will say yes. I think applying late (2/1) really hurt me too. I think I'd get into one of those if I applied earlier with even like a 155. And it's only a year after all. I do understand your point of view though, you seem to be more of a realist, I've always been a dreamer. I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby IAFG » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:10 pm

two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby existenz » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:11 pm

IAFG wrote:
hellokitty wrote:
IAFG wrote: you will not make more money than a secretary out of the LSs you have a shot at, and frankly will be worse off when you factor in debt.

also, no, you aren't too smart for any job.


Disagreed.

I put a lot of time and effort into my education and it shows in my GPA and on my resume. I'm not just going to not go to law school because of an average LSAT score. To you guys, yeah it's "low" but nationally it's average. I'll just try again, and even if I make the same score, I'm pretty sure I still have a shot at Boalt at least. They have taken lower LSATs and GPAs. I made it to Faculty Review last time even with my LSAT score. I bet I'd be in next cycle with even just a slight increase. :D

so you are going to put your life on hold for another year on the prayer that Berk (your only real hope) will like you better next year. brilliant.

hellokitty, 153 may be close to "average", but that's including 1000s of people who didn't study for it and never end up going to law school. With your GPA and URM status you have a golden ticket to a T14 school with major scholarship money IF you actually put in the time to learn the LSAT.

I mean seriously, a 153 means you missed 35 questions on a 100 question test. That kinda sucks.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby D-hops » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:12 pm

IAFG wrote:two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.


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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:14 pm

HK I don't know your LSAT testing history, but don't just retake it "hoping" for a better outcome. Splurge on a full-length prep course or seriously commit to DAILY self-study from now until September. I was in the exact same position a year ago.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby hellokitty » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:16 pm

existenz wrote: hellokitty, 153 may be close to "average", but that's including 1000s of people who didn't study for it and never end up going to law school. With your GPA and URM status you have a golden ticket to a T14 school with major scholarship money IF you actually put in the time to learn the LSAT.

I mean seriously, a 153 means you missed 35 questions on a 100 question test. That kinda sucks.


I think I missed 39...and 14 were on one section...I didn't really think it was that bad. It's like getting a C. Mehh.
LieutKaffee wrote:HK I don't know your LSAT testing history, but don't just retake it "hoping" for a better outcome. Splurge on a full-length prep course or seriously commit to DAILY self-study from now until September. I was in the exact same position a year ago.

I don't even wanna talk about it. Months of 8 hour days, 2 prep classes, every PT, Bibles and like 40 books later here I am...

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby Joan Hollaway » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:18 pm

D-hops wrote:
IAFG wrote:two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.


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personally im doing it for the models and bottles

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby hellokitty » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:20 pm

Joan Hollaway wrote:
D-hops wrote:
IAFG wrote:two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.


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personally im doing it for the models and bottles


I want to marry a hot lawyer...where else can I meet one? Here I am.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:20 pm

hellokitty wrote:
existenz wrote: hellokitty, 153 may be close to "average", but that's including 1000s of people who didn't study for it and never end up going to law school. With your GPA and URM status you have a golden ticket to a T14 school with major scholarship money IF you actually put in the time to learn the LSAT.

I mean seriously, a 153 means you missed 35 questions on a 100 question test. That kinda sucks.


I think I missed 39...and 14 were on one section...I didn't really think it was that bad. It's like getting a C. Mehh.
LieutKaffee wrote:HK I don't know your LSAT testing history, but don't just retake it "hoping" for a better outcome. Splurge on a full-length prep course or seriously commit to DAILY self-study from now until September. I was in the exact same position a year ago.

I don't even wanna talk about it. Months of 8 hour days, 2 prep classes, every PT, Bibles and like 40 books later here I am...


Sounds like you know what specific section to focus on. I wish you luck on try #3!

More importantly, who's in your avatar?

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby IAFG » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:20 pm

hellokitty wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:HK I don't know your LSAT testing history, but don't just retake it "hoping" for a better outcome. Splurge on a full-length prep course or seriously commit to DAILY self-study from now until September. I was in the exact same position a year ago.

I don't even wanna talk about it. Months of 8 hour days, 2 prep classes, every PT, Bibles and like 40 books later here I am...

so... what will make it different next time? brain transplant in the works?

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Postby hiromoto45 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:21 pm

Joan Hollaway wrote:
D-hops wrote:
IAFG wrote:two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.


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personally im doing it for the models and bottles

Well is your UG degree is only going to make you $30,000, going to law school or any other grad school to better yourself is not idiotic.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:22 pm

IAFG wrote:
hellokitty wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:HK I don't know your LSAT testing history, but don't just retake it "hoping" for a better outcome. Splurge on a full-length prep course or seriously commit to DAILY self-study from now until September. I was in the exact same position a year ago.

I don't even wanna talk about it. Months of 8 hour days, 2 prep classes, every PT, Bibles and like 40 books later here I am...

so... what will make it different next time? brain transplant in the works?


Do you PT in the low 150s as well or do the test-day jitters get you?

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Postby booboo » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:22 pm

Joan Hollaway wrote:
D-hops wrote:
IAFG wrote:two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.


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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby IAFG » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:23 pm

hiromoto45 wrote:
Joan Hollaway wrote:
D-hops wrote:
IAFG wrote:two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.


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personally im doing it for the models and bottles

Well is your UG degree is only going to make you $30,000, going to law school or any other grad school to better yourself is not idiotic.

entry. level.

law school is not to "better yourself," it is to become a lawyer. law is a highly technical field. it isn't a gateway to some wide array of fields.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby hellokitty » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:25 pm

IAFG wrote:
hellokitty wrote:
LieutKaffee wrote:HK I don't know your LSAT testing history, but don't just retake it "hoping" for a better outcome. Splurge on a full-length prep course or seriously commit to DAILY self-study from now until September. I was in the exact same position a year ago.

I don't even wanna talk about it. Months of 8 hour days, 2 prep classes, every PT, Bibles and like 40 books later here I am...

so... what will make it different next time? brain transplant in the works?


How long is the recovery time on that?? Hmm...

From now until October, I'm doing 20 timed LGs a day. Right now I'm going to do 1 PT a week and kicked it up in June to more. I don't have anything else to do, no job, no nothing. Usually I was teaching and taking like 18 hours and interning and just always tired. Now my life is the LSAT. Hopefully something clicks. I can already see a slight improvement. I'm thinking about getting a private tutor instead of a class too.
LieutKaffee wrote: Do you PT in the low 150s as well or do the test-day jitters get you?


Right before the test my PTs were in the high 150s, usually 158 or so. But I got the test day jitters both times sooooo bad. I nearly threw up in the car on the way there. And the 2nd time I ended up sitting next to another guy from my school applying to UCB. He told me he was retaking a 164 and he was also a URM. I just thought ohhh I'm soooo fucked. It freaked me out.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby D-hops » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:26 pm

hiromoto45 wrote:
Joan Hollaway wrote:
D-hops wrote:
IAFG wrote:two absolutely idiotic reasons to become a lawyer: useless major, and thinking you are too smart for the sort of job you can get with your UG degree. that isn't just for HK, that is in general.


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personally im doing it for the models and bottles

Well is your UG degree is only going to make you $30,000, going to law school or any other grad school to better yourself is not idiotic.


Then work at that position for a few years and get an MBA or some other masters degree in something you care about. Don't spend three years and 200K learning a highly specialized field that you don't absolutely want to work in.

Edit: IAFG beat me to the punch
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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby hiromoto45 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:26 pm

IAFG wrote:
law school is not to "better yourself," it is to become a lawyer. law is a highly technical field. it isn't a gateway to some wide array of fields.



I don't agree, your view is valid but its not the only perspective on a legal education.

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Re: BP decides where you go to law school

Postby IAFG » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:27 pm

hiromoto45 wrote:
IAFG wrote:
law school is not to "better yourself," it is to become a lawyer. law is a highly technical field. it isn't a gateway to some wide array of fields.



I don't agree, your view is valid but its not the only perspective on a legal education.

wtf? it isn't a matter of opinion




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