NJ Associate - $12 an hour

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby toolfan » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:28 pm

clintonius wrote:That sort of thing almost certainly happens. But he didn't -- he mentions T2 in the first blog.


touche

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby DoubleChecks » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:30 pm

quickquestionthanks wrote:I can't believe so many people are saying he's a good writer.


toolfan wrote:It would do you some justice though to let us know where you went to school, how you did, and the price you paid. Those are very important.


iunno i thought that, in the context of his blog, it was very well written. i found it an enjoyable read lol.

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby Always Credited » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:32 pm

lawschoolblows wrote:Sounds like a great job:

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As you can see, doc review rates have now plunged to $20 an hour:

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This is reality, kids. The market really is that saturated. I am the creator of the blog Big Debt, Small Law and offer these additional posts to attempt to dissuade you all from making the life-destroying mistake of enrolling in law school:

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby GordonBombay » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:33 pm

Call me impressionable if you will but all of this crap such as JDU certainly had an affect on my willingness to go to a NY area school. I got a similar offer to the one I accepted from BK law but just decided it was a better bet to leave NYC all together for law school. So while I think it is sensationalized and fear-mongering to an extent, for someone who is debt averse and in the 30-60 with $ range...these kinds of stories did play a role in erasing the whole "go to school in NY: get big $$ job in NY" fantasy

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby clintonius » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:37 pm

I mean, I do think NYC is one of the most cutthroat environments for law. It's made much more difficult for those who go to the local regional schools because the city pulls graduates from not only Columbia and NYU, but also all the other top schools and Fordham. It's my assumption that you are more likely to find meaningful employment if you both go to school and work somewhere other than NYC, unless you're in at a top school. Even then there's no guarantee.

This guy's blog is still a piece of shit though.

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby T14_Scholly » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:38 pm

quickquestionthanks wrote:I can't believe so many people are saying he's a good writer.


toolfan wrote:It would do you some justice though to let us know where you went to school, how you did, and the price you paid. Those are very important.


When you quote someone, the quote is supposed to appear above your own message.

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby Mr. Smith » Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:39 pm

Totally agree with you. Thanks for setting him straight.

T14_Scholly wrote:
quickquestionthanks wrote:I can't believe so many people are saying he's a good writer.


toolfan wrote:It would do you some justice though to let us know where you went to school, how you did, and the price you paid. Those are very important.


When you quote someone, the quote is supposed to appear above your own message.

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby quickquestionthanks » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:33 pm

T14_Scholly wrote:When you quote someone, the quote is supposed to appear above your own message.


If you're responding to them, sure.

toolfan wrote:
quickquestionthanks wrote:I can't believe so many people are saying he's a good writer.


I thought it was funny. And what would you make of his rant if he graduated from a top-20 in the top 15% of class?


It would probably be indicative of a personality disorder, since I know a person in that exact position and he's been offered a job paying $160k. If you're doing doc review in a basement with those numbers, there's something else wrong that is not on your resume. And of course, he would've mentioned that fact in his post, which I found to be nauseatingly hyperbolic.

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby lawschoolblows » Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:42 pm

You guys would really be shocked at how many kids on the doc review "circuit" went to what you'd consider damn good schools: Emory, Fordham, Boston College, BU, and even some Columbia/NYU kids who were cut from Biglaw during the economic meltdown only 8-10 months into their careers.

As for "public interest," that's the biggest myth told to 0 L's: that these gigs are some kind of fail-safe backup plan. Bottom line is that prestgious PI like ACLU, NAACP, Southern Poverty Law Center et al are as hard to get (and often harder) than Biglaw. They are looking for the best and brighest.

And government jobs? Surely you jest. The NJ AG office has scores of people tripping over each other to work for FREE!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =121274655

and

http://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/200 ... teers.html


I applied recently for a part-time municipal prosecutor job in a rural area of NJ. It paid 28,000 a year and required 2.5 days a week of work in traffic court etc. I applied 2 days after it was posted and was told that "they'd gotten an overwhelming response and were no longer accepting resumes." The guy who ended up getting the gig was a local solo who's been in business over 20 years.

There's a LOT more truth to the JDU gang than you probably care to believe. You're taking on loans to enter an industry where scores of people are lining up to work for NOTHING just to get "experience."

As to going solo, here are my thoughts:

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/12/is-succe ... ipe-dream/

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby Always Credited » Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:14 pm

lawschoolblows wrote:You guys would really be shocked at how many kids on the doc review "circuit" went to what you'd consider damn good schools: Emory, Fordham, Boston College, BU, and even some Columbia/NYU kids who were cut from Biglaw during the economic meltdown only 8-10 months into their careers.

As for "public interest," that's the biggest myth told to 0 L's: that these gigs are some kind of fail-safe backup plan. Bottom line is that prestgious PI like ACLU, NAACP, Southern Poverty Law Center et al are as hard to get (and often harder) than Biglaw. They are looking for the best and brighest.

And government jobs? Surely you jest. The NJ AG office has scores of people tripping over each other to work for FREE!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =121274655

and

http://blogs.findlaw.com/strategist/200 ... teers.html


I applied recently for a part-time municipal prosecutor job in a rural area of NJ. It paid 28,000 a year and required 2.5 days a week of work in traffic court etc. I applied 2 days after it was posted and was told that "they'd gotten an overwhelming response and were no longer accepting resumes." The guy who ended up getting the gig was a local solo who's been in business over 20 years.

There's a LOT more truth to the JDU gang than you probably care to believe. You're taking on loans to enter an industry where scores of people are lining up to work for NOTHING just to get "experience."

As to going solo, here are my thoughts:

http://abovethelaw.com/2009/12/is-succe ... ipe-dream/


You're right, I just ruined my life. Bummer...guess I'll never be happy, find a wife, or a decent job again. Oh, wait, I'm not ugly, not stupid, and not a douchebag. I'll be fine 8)

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Re: NJ Associate - $12 an hour

Postby quickquestionthanks » Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:35 am

Always Credited wrote:You're right, I just ruined my life. Bummer...guess I'll never be happy, find a wife, or a decent job again. Oh, wait, I'm not ugly, not stupid, and not a douchebag. I'll be fine 8)



The name says it all.




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