2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby Lieut Kaffee » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:31 am

CanadianWolf wrote:I suspect that you may be a law review editor in the making. Just beware, however, that the English legal system was based upon charging for each word.


Excellent. I can be very wordy if the need arises.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby drdolittle » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:32 am

Helmholtz, have you though about a career at USNWR?
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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:34 am

Also good to remember that in a town with only one lawyer, the lawyer will starve; but in a town with two lawyers, they each will thrive.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby existenz » Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:55 am

Desert Fox wrote:Is there any way to get clerkship data for T1 schools.

I propose a Desert Fox ranking.

1/4 NLJ250
1/8 clerkship data
1/16 academic placement
1/16 % in PI
1/4 GPA
1/4 LSAT

I'm guessing Yale would not be #1 in the DF list, since their very weak NLJ250 placement would not be offset by their stellar clerkship placement, academic placement or their superior LSAT/GPA medians. Stanford was #3 in NLJ250 and #2 in federal clerkships last year (compared to Yale's #18 and #1, Harvard's #11 and #3).

In fact I'd guess that the ranking might even look something like this:

1. Stanford
2. Harvard
3. Yale
4. Columbia
5. Chicago

Are there any accurate lists of PI placement? Also, how is academic placement calculated since so few law school grads go right into academia after graduation?

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:08 am

Desert Fox wrote:Is there any way to get clerkship data for T1 schools.

I propose a Desert Fox ranking.

1/4 NLJ250
1/8 clerkship data
1/16 academic placement
1/16 % in PI
1/4 GPA
1/4 LSAT


Does this count?

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Wed Apr 14, 2010 3:13 am

and Hemholtz, if it brings you any peace, i've showed your rankings from last year to some of my friends to explain why going to Nova Southeastern, Florida Gulf Coastal, and Barry are miserably bad ideas.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby doinmybest » Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:13 am

Hmm I like this. Keep experimenting, I'm sure once you get the forumla right we can get Mich into the T3 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby showNprove » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:00 pm

It's not a bad start, but you definitely need to find ways to get employment in there. That would probably push Michigan/Virginia ahead of Berkeley and Northwestern ahead of Cornell/Georgetown.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby Borhas » Wed Apr 14, 2010 1:02 pm

my school improved in the helmholtz rankings thus they are a paragon of legitimate law-penis metrics

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Helmholtz » Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:33 pm

Every school now listed.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby ram jam » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:32 pm

Finally a ranking that captures University of Florida's standing in comparison to other schools. There is no way in reality that Indiana Bloomington is 20 spots ahead of UF in terms of quality, etc.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby CanadianWolf » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:42 pm

showNprove:
Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. the most recently released NLJ survey--which does not include judicial clerkships--revealed:

1) Northwestern
2) Columbia
3) Stanford
4) Chicago
5) Virginia
6) Michigan
7) Penn
8) NYU
9) Berkeley
10) Duke

11) Harvard
12) Vanderbilt
13) Georgetown
14) Cornell
15) USC
16) Texas
17) UCLA
18) Yale
19) Boston College
20) Boston University
21) GWU
22) Fordham
23) Notre Dame
24) WashUStL

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Panther7 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:29 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Every school now listed.


mind sharing your excel file? (pm is fine)

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Helmholtz » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:52 pm

Panther7 wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Every school now listed.


mind sharing your excel file? (pm is fine)


Included in OP.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings

Postby trialjunky » Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:48 am

anniesaysrelax wrote:These are great, thanks Helmholtz!

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Blindmelon » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:13 am

BU = T-25 Secure.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:01 pm

Showed the score difference from last year's Helmholtz Rankings.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Danteshek » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:31 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Showed the score difference from last year's Helmholtz Rankings.


why did every school's score go up? maybe you can standardize the score change in percentage terms

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Helmholtz » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:45 pm

Danteshek wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:Showed the score difference from last year's Helmholtz Rankings.


why did every school's score go up? maybe you can standardize the score change in percentage terms


Almost every school's score went up because the numbers game gets more competitive every year. It is pretty much impossible to actually find a school who experienced a drop in numbers, especially when the cycle was as competitive as the last one was. Schools rise in the rankings not merely because they raise their numbers, but because they raise them more than their peers. The scores are basically indexed to Yale, which can't really go up much farther (there are only so many 173/3.9+s out there). For the score increases, it's not really that useful to see how Columbia gained in comparison to Mercer, for example, but it is useful to see how Chicago rose compared to NYU or UCLA vs. Vanderbilt since their numbers are close. It's pretty much just as difficult for Chicago to gain a full point as it would be for NYU to do so.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby toolfan » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:22 pm

I think you're on to something.

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby 20160810 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:48 pm

Subtle UC HasTTTings trolling

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby danidancer » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:01 pm

This is great! Thanks Helm!

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Re: 2010-2011 Helmholtz Rankings - Every School

Postby Mickey Quicknumbers » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:54 am

Spam, thank you for unintentionally bringing back these old memories.




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