Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

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Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:47 pm

USNWR is so damn stupid...

FACT - Davis is easier to get into than Hastings by a long shot. Anybody with a 3.6/160 gets in. You need at least 2 more LSAT points at Hastings.
FACT - Davis' admit rate is 32% -- Hastings = 24%
FACT - The Central Valley smells like cowshit...good luck practicing Cowshit Law in Merced, UCD grads!

Hah...just messin. Davis is a good school but this really highlights how trivial USNWR is. Anybody will tell you that these two schools are practically identical in terms of job prospects.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby jetlagz28 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:49 pm

I don't understand either. Hastings has a longer history, more grads and a better location.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:58 pm

jetlagz28 wrote:I don't understand either. Hastings has a longer history, more grads and a better location.


oh but it's not "administered by UC Regents" --> let's smite it from the face of the earth

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Great Satchmo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:02 pm

One thing you do notice in the rankings, though, is that schools ranked lower can still have higher required numbers to get in if they are in desirable places.

How many people want to live in Davis? Not many. How many people want to live in San Francisco? MANY more.

I still think Hastings = Davis, if you are looking at the Bay Area.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby S de Garmeaux » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:03 pm

much more parking available in Sac Valley than the loin

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Borhas » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:13 pm

swheat wrote:USNWR is so damn stupid...

FACT - Davis is easier to get into than Hastings by a long shot. Anybody with a 3.6/160 gets in. You need at least 2 more LSAT points at Hastings.
FACT - Davis' admit rate is 32% -- Hastings = 24%
FACT - The Central Valley smells like cowshit...good luck practicing Cowshit Law in Merced, UCD grads!

Hah...just messin. Davis is a good school but this really highlights how trivial USNWR is. Anybody will tell you that these two schools are practically identical in terms of job prospects.


I have nothing against cowshit... but clearly Hastings has an edge in most of the factors except the glaring employment upon graduation.

69% is killing them, they should hire some people to be librarians or some crap like that if they can't get jobs

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:16 pm

Borhas wrote:
swheat wrote:USNWR is so damn stupid...

FACT - Davis is easier to get into than Hastings by a long shot. Anybody with a 3.6/160 gets in. You need at least 2 more LSAT points at Hastings.
FACT - Davis' admit rate is 32% -- Hastings = 24%
FACT - The Central Valley smells like cowshit...good luck practicing Cowshit Law in Merced, UCD grads!

Hah...just messin. Davis is a good school but this really highlights how trivial USNWR is. Anybody will tell you that these two schools are practically identical in terms of job prospects.


I have nothing against cowshit, but clearly Hastings has an edge in most of the methodologies except employment upon graduation

69% is killing them, they should hire some people to be librarians or some crap like that if they can't get jobs


I know it....frankly it's a miracle that number didn't drop off from last year. But it's hard to place ~350 people per year. Honestly Hastings should probably contract its class sizes.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby ozarkhack » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:20 pm

Think Hastings also gets hit for class size?

Is the fac/stud ratio out of whack? I was told last week that Class of 2012 came in with 475 students. If so, that's quite a bit higher than its usual, yes?

In any case, I hope hope this means a bunch of dual Hastings-Davis admits will use this to drop Hastings, thereby opening up a spot for me, pushing me to drop Davis, thereby opening a Davis spot to someone who now wants to forget about University of Washington (ranked below Davis, even if just by one point???!?!?) which will then favorably re-consider my rejection.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Borhas » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:22 pm

People from the March ASD have said the class size will drop down to 390... that's an excellent start if it happens, but they should carry through with it next cycle to. It should be probably no more than about 350. God knows they'll make up for the lost students in UC tuition hikes.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Great Satchmo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:26 pm

If I don't get a Davis admit whenever they decide to let me know about a decision, I'm hoping this will help out my chances on the Hastings WL!

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby jetlagz28 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:27 pm

For the record, I think Davis and Hastings should be seen as equals.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:28 pm

Don't you guys think it's fishy that Davis' employment rate at graduation is TWENTY FIVE percent higher than Hastings? They have got to be shamelessly gaming the rankings.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby eth3n » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:29 pm

ITT = Hastings 2012

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby S de Garmeaux » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:33 pm

swheat wrote:Don't you guys think it's fishy that Davis' employment rate at graduation is TWENTY FIVE percent higher than Hastings? They have got to be shamelessly gaming the rankings.


i think it makes perfect sense when you think about the markets that Hastings/Davis feed into:

Hastings: SF=>compete w/ S & B
Davis: Not able to get a good firm gigs? good thing the government lives here...

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Great Satchmo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:34 pm

swheat wrote:Don't you guys think it's fishy that Davis' employment rate at graduation is TWENTY FIVE percent higher than Hastings? They have got to be shamelessly gaming the rankings.


Smaller class plus being between San Francisco and Sacramento has to contribute to more employed students as a percentage.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:36 pm

Great Satchmo wrote:
swheat wrote:Don't you guys think it's fishy that Davis' employment rate at graduation is TWENTY FIVE percent higher than Hastings? They have got to be shamelessly gaming the rankings.


Smaller class plus being between San Francisco and Sacramento has to contribute to more employed students as a percentage.


25% more? If this figure is true, then the general wisdom that Hastings and Davis are equals in employment is false.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby tkicker182 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:37 pm

you also have to worry about being robbed/murdered while walking to school at hastings all while paying 1500/mo for a studio. they probably don't factor that into the rankings though.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby eth3n » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:42 pm

[quote="swheat']
25% more? If this figure is true, then the general wisdom that Hastings and Davis are equals in employment is false.[/quote]

I think Hastings students have different job aspirations among graduation, many Davis students are working hard to obtain public-sector jobs from the day they step in here.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:50 pm

eth3n wrote:[


Hastings c/o 2009 = 7% public interest
Davis c/o 2008 = 12% public interest

Hastings c/o 2009 = 17% government
Davis c/o 2008 = 10% government

I am not sure that you can conclude Davis students are more willing to take govt and PI jobs than Hastings people. It is true that over 63% of Hastings people work in private practice compared to around 53% of Davis people, but I am not sure that any of these data account for a 25% higher rate of employment at graduation.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby ozarkhack » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:51 pm

S de Garmeaux wrote:
swheat wrote:Don't you guys think it's fishy that Davis' employment rate at graduation is TWENTY FIVE percent higher than Hastings? They have got to be shamelessly gaming the rankings.


i think it makes perfect sense when you think about the markets that Hastings/Davis feed into:

Hastings: SF=>compete w/ S & B
Davis: Not able to get a good firm gigs? good thing the government lives here...


I figure it's less an issue with the fact that Hastings competes with Stan/Boalt and that Davis has govt nearby (2008-09 probably wasn't a boom time for state/local government hiring anywhere, much less nearly bankrupty California) ... than it is with the fact that Davis grads are probably way more likely to be OK living/working in California's armpittiest parts.

I base this hunch on nothing more than the fact that Davis is in Davis and Hastings is in SF.

Then again, I guess I'm wrong ... looks like the schools send just under 40 percent of their graduates to the same 5 cities -- albeit in different order.

And, yes, Davis is Sac heavy (hehehehe). But it does seem to put a larger % in L.A. than Hastings does.

You'll notice the rest of the top 20 cities are remarkably similar.

EDIT: Misstated Davis' Fresno placement.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Great Satchmo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:57 pm

Probably another case of self-selection.

Hastings graduates a lot of students, many of whom probably picked Hastings to work in San Francisco. My guess is that many of them will stay in San Francisco looking for work before finding employment elsewhere because of this interest in staying in that locale.

However, look at Davis students, who are willing to go live in Davis...they may very well be more likely to be more open to locales when it comes to work.

Just a thought...

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:57 pm

It is interesting how many people in the Davis and Hastings threads are on the WL at Hastings and are already IN AT DAVIS. I have seen at least 3 people remark that they hope people bolt Hastings for Davis so that a Hastings seat opens up.

Someone show me one person who is WL at Davis who is in at Hastings. I dont think you will find one.

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Teoeo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:59 pm

is anyone else confused? where did you get the 14 places from

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby General Tso » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:00 pm

Teoeo wrote:is anyone else confused? where did you get the 14 places from


Hastings = #42
Davis = # 28

42-28 = 14

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Re: Who really thinks Davis deserves 14 places ahead of Hastings

Postby Teoeo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:00 pm

swheat wrote:
Teoeo wrote:is anyone else confused? where did you get the 14 places from


Hastings = #42
Davis = # 28

42-28 = 14


I didnt know the new rankings were out




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