USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby nick637 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:17 pm

i was also gonna post about copyright concerns as well

bunch of 0L's what do we know?
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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:18 pm

nick637 wrote:i wonder how much subscription $$ USNEWS just lost


Thinking the same thing. I'm surprised how cool the mods have been about this. Last year they promptly closed down the thread.

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Postby cindytran872 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:18 pm

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby donzoli » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:19 pm

zizou wrote:1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. Chicago +1
6. NYU -1
7. Cal-Berkeley -1
7. Penn +1
9. Michigan
10. Virginia
11. Duke -1
11. Northwestern -1
13. Cornell
14. Georgetown
15. UCLA
15. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. WUSTL
20. GW +8
21. Illinois +2
22. BU -2
22. Emory -2
22. Minnesota -2
22. Notre Dame +1
26. Iowa
27. Indiana -4
28. Boston College -2
28. William & Mary
28. UC-Davis +7
28. Georgia +7
28. North Carolina +2
28. Wisconsin +7
34. Fordham -4
34. Ohio State +1
34. Washington -4
34. Washington & Lee -4
38. Arizona State +17
38. Alabama -8
37. Colorado - Boulder +8
38. Wake Forest +2
42. BYU -1
42. George Mason -1
42. Arizona +1
42. UC-Hastings -3
42. Utah +3
47. Florida +4
48. American -3
48. SMU +1
48. Tulane -3
48. Maryland -5

Tier 2

52. Pepperdine +3
52. Yeshiva -3
54. Florida State -2
54. UConn -2
56. Case Western -1
56. Loyola - CA +15
56. Cincinnati -4
56. San Diego +5
60. Georgia State +5
60. Houston -1
60. Miami +11
60. Tennessee-Knoxville -1
64. Baylor +1
64. Lewis & Clark -3
64. Kentucky -9
67. Brooklyn -6
67. Kansas -2
67. New Mexico +10
67. Pittsburgh +4
67. Villanova -6
72. Penn State -7
72. Seton Hall +5
72. St. John's +15
72. Temple -7
72. Hawai'i +28
72. Oklahoma -1
78. Loyola - Chicago +9
78. UNLV -2
80. Chicago-Kent -3
80. LSU -5
80. Rutgers-Camden -3
80. Rutgers - Newark +7
80. Denver -3
80. Oregon -3
86. Hofstra +14
86. Indiana-Indianapolis +1
86. Northeastern +8
86. Seattle -9
86. Syracuse +14
86. Arkansas-Fayeteville +8
86. Richmond -9
93. Chapman +7
93. Santa Clara -8
93. Missouri -28
93. Nebraska-Lincoln +7
93. West Virginia +7
98. Catholic -4
98. DePaul -11
98. San Fransisco
98. Pacific-McGeorge +2
98. William Mitchell +2

Someone should double check these, just did them in a rush.



I find the 28 spot interesting. You got three jumps of 7 and a 2. What gives with Wisconsin, Davis, and Georgia all jumping so much?

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby pelmen74 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:19 pm

nycparalegal wrote:
DVZfan wrote:
Torvon wrote:Lol @ NU having a lower peer assessment score than GULC and Cornell :lol:


Yeah that really sucks for NU and it has not been able to really escape that for a very long time!


Yet it had the best placement in the NJ250 survey. Quite the paradox.


I assume there is a strong self-selection bias. NU does have the reputation for older students, most of which go to law school because they want to get paid, hence BigLaw. I assume the percentage doing clerkships or public service in NU is low (correct me if I'm wrong). This contribute to low peer assessment, especially from judges. Plus, NJ250 stats does not mean good Vault 20 placement stats which I assume could make a difference in peer assessment.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby dshirs32 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:20 pm

Why did University of Richmond drop 9 spots from 77 to 86? Seems very surprising

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby dreamweaver87 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:20 pm

Nightrunner wrote:
dreamweaver87 wrote:where's minnesota, though?

#22. I missed it in the first type-up.



ah, looking at the scans now. thanks.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby hiromoto45 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:22 pm

Where did UC-Irvine rank? I can't seem to find it.

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Postby jmhendri » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:24 pm

hiromoto45 wrote:Where did UC-Irvine rank? I can't seem to find it.


Irvine's ranking is a pure estimation by TLS. It's not accredited yet.

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Postby ggocat » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:25 pm

hiromoto45 wrote:Where did UC-Irvine rank? I can't seem to find it.

Not until it's accredited. That takes several years.

HTH for the millionth time.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby peterswe » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:26 pm

Good to see Loyola-Chicago moving back up.

Wonder what the deal was with Depaul?

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:28 pm

donzoli wrote:
zizou wrote:1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. Chicago +1
6. NYU -1
7. Cal-Berkeley -1
7. Penn +1
9. Michigan
10. Virginia
11. Duke -1
11. Northwestern -1
13. Cornell
14. Georgetown
15. UCLA
15. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. WUSTL
20. GW +8
21. Illinois +2
22. BU -2
22. Emory -2
22. Minnesota -2
22. Notre Dame +1
26. Iowa
27. Indiana -4
28. Boston College -2
28. William & Mary
28. UC-Davis +7
28. Georgia +7
28. North Carolina +2
28. Wisconsin +7
34. Fordham -4
34. Ohio State +1
34. Washington -4
34. Washington & Lee -4
38. Arizona State +17
38. Alabama -8
37. Colorado - Boulder +8
38. Wake Forest +2
42. BYU -1
42. George Mason -1
42. Arizona +1
42. UC-Hastings -3
42. Utah +3
47. Florida +4
48. American -3
48. SMU +1
48. Tulane -3
48. Maryland -5

Tier 2

52. Pepperdine +3
52. Yeshiva -3
54. Florida State -2
54. UConn -2
56. Case Western -1
56. Loyola - CA +15
56. Cincinnati -4
56. San Diego +5
60. Georgia State +5
60. Houston -1
60. Miami +11
60. Tennessee-Knoxville -1
64. Baylor +1
64. Lewis & Clark -3
64. Kentucky -9
67. Brooklyn -6
67. Kansas -2
67. New Mexico +10
67. Pittsburgh +4
67. Villanova -6
72. Penn State -7
72. Seton Hall +5
72. St. John's +15
72. Temple -7
72. Hawai'i +28
72. Oklahoma -1
78. Loyola - Chicago +9
78. UNLV -2
80. Chicago-Kent -3
80. LSU -5
80. Rutgers-Camden -3
80. Rutgers - Newark +7
80. Denver -3
80. Oregon -3
86. Hofstra +14
86. Indiana-Indianapolis +1
86. Northeastern +8
86. Seattle -9
86. Syracuse +14
86. Arkansas-Fayeteville +8
86. Richmond -9
93. Chapman +7
93. Santa Clara -8
93. Missouri -28
93. Nebraska-Lincoln +7
93. West Virginia +7
98. Catholic -4
98. DePaul -11
98. San Fransisco
98. Pacific-McGeorge +2
98. William Mitchell +2

Someone should double check these, just did them in a rush.



I find the 28 spot interesting. You got three jumps of 7 and a 2. What gives with Wisconsin, Davis, and Georgia all jumping so much?


That's the most movement I've ever seen. I mean moving 15 or 16 spots is huge, but 28???

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby quetzalcoatl » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:30 pm

Hawai just flew from T3 to mid T2, impressive.

Glad to see Chicago is back in its rightful place :)

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby goansongo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:30 pm

cindytran872 wrote:Minnesota or GW?

Cooley.

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Postby YCrevolution » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:31 pm

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Postby rayiner » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:33 pm

pelmen74 wrote:
nycparalegal wrote:
DVZfan wrote:
Torvon wrote:Lol @ NU having a lower peer assessment score than GULC and Cornell :lol:


Yeah that really sucks for NU and it has not been able to really escape that for a very long time!


Yet it had the best placement in the NJ250 survey. Quite the paradox.


I assume there is a strong self-selection bias. NU does have the reputation for older students, most of which go to law school because they want to get paid, hence BigLaw. I assume the percentage doing clerkships or public service in NU is low (correct me if I'm wrong). This contribute to low peer assessment, especially from judges. Plus, NJ250 stats does not mean good Vault 20 placement stats which I assume could make a difference in peer assessment.


http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

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Postby Nicholasnickynic » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:34 pm

dshirs32 wrote:Why did University of Richmond drop 9 spots from 77 to 86? Seems very surprising


Because its a crappy school... read the tls profile... doesn't really have a lot going for it...

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby rayiner » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:39 pm

holybartender wrote:
los blancos wrote:
holybartender wrote:She deserves the credit, she sent me a bulk pdf of all of it and I separated and hosted it for her since she was at work. I'm also at work but, well, I guess that's why she's in at Columbia and I'm not.


It could be worse. You could have lost your only t10 acceptance. :mrgreen:


Suddenly the crusade for the T12 strikes a pretty important string in my heart.


Do people who use "T10" also say "T5" instead of "T6"? BC if you're going to use completely arbitrary "round number" breaks instead of looking at the point totals, you should be consistent about it!

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Postby showNprove » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:41 pm

rayiner wrote:
holybartender wrote:
los blancos wrote:
holybartender wrote:She deserves the credit, she sent me a bulk pdf of all of it and I separated and hosted it for her since she was at work. I'm also at work but, well, I guess that's why she's in at Columbia and I'm not.


It could be worse. You could have lost your only t10 acceptance. :mrgreen:


Suddenly the crusade for the T12 strikes a pretty important string in my heart.


Do people who use "T10" also say "T5" instead of "T6"? BC if you're going to use completely arbitrary "round number" breaks, you should be consistent about it!

I say "T5"--but that's because I think NYU floats somewhere between CC and MVBP.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby Always Credited » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:42 pm

sibley wrote:
Doritos wrote:
Always Credited wrote:
sibley wrote:I want to know the story behind how she got the rankings!



I want to know the story behind how you were going to sue Georgetown.


lol


it's posted already.


So is the story behind how these rankings were released. Indeed, we're actually still posting in the thread where it went down!

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Postby jack duluoz » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:44 pm

looks like GW finally learned how to fudge data.

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Postby pelmen74 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:44 pm

Nightrunner wrote:
rayiner wrote:
pelmen74 wrote:I assume there is a strong self-selection bias. NU does have the reputation for older students, most of which go to law school because they want to get paid, hence BigLaw. I assume the percentage doing clerkships or public service in NU is low (correct me if I'm wrong). This contribute to low peer assessment, especially from judges. Plus, NJ250 stats does not mean good Vault 20 placement stats which I assume could make a difference in peer assessment.


http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2006/ ... ement.html

and BOOM goes the dynamite.


I see that I am making lots of assumption. Apparently they are all fantastically accurate 8)

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby pennstatepride » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:46 pm

jack duluoz wrote:looks like GW finally learned how to fudge data.


Look at the GPA/LSAT medians....no fudging necessary

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Postby Always Credited » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:49 pm

jack duluoz wrote:looks like GW finally learned how to fudge data.


Apparently every school making any sort of well deserved headway back into the rank where its nearly always been ranked fudged current data to get there.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby HooCavalier » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:54 pm

pennstatepride wrote:
jack duluoz wrote:looks like GW finally learned how to fudge data.


Look at the GPA/LSAT medians....no fudging necessary


The truth.




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