USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

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Postby Lieut Kaffee » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:09 pm

T14_Scholly wrote:I think this tidbit from an ATL commenter says it all:

I agree that the rankings need input from other sources as well to give a more rounded opinion. Its sort of like when you fart in the car when you're by yourself. You if it smells really bad or just a little unpleasant. But to really now how awful that day-after-a-bing fart truly is, you have to have a couple of friends in the car with you and you have to be able to lock the windows so that you can hotbox the folks along for the ride. Only then will you know the true rank of the fart.


EDIT: ATL commenters are pretty funny.

"Take, for example, U.S. News’ measuring of the number of volumes in a school’s law library, which is especially irrelevant in today’s digital age."

I agree with Dean van Zandt regarding the need for additional rankings that value other metrics. But it seems the Dean van Zandt has not done all of the requisite homework on this issue. Take his comment about library statistics for example. As it turns out, The Thomas Cooley School of Law publishes rankings that also place some considerable weight on the library. While Dean van Zandt cavalierly dismisses such metrics as "especially irrelevant," it turns out that not only are there ranking alternatives to U.S. News, but they, too, use library metrics.

Of course, this does not mean that measures of the library are unassailable. But it is a bit disappointing to see Dean van Zandt lament a dearth of alternative rankings and simultaneously criticize library metrics. Apparently he did not realize that not only are there alternative rankings, but those alternatives also employ library based metrics in no small measure. I believe this unaddressed oversight undercuts the strength of Dean van Zandt's position with respect to both the absence of alternative rankings and the use of library metrics in ranking law schools.


It's not inconsistent to feel it's valuable to have more rankings systems and to feel comparing library volumes is questionable methodology.

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Postby Tofu » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:09 pm

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby BeccaBaby13 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:11 pm

YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?



I Did! I went to ASU undergrad and I can honestly say I am shocked about how they are ranked. I honestly don't think the program is nearly that good, but obviously USNWR thinks otherwise..

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Postby articulably suspect » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:11 pm

YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


Yes, does that constitue the largest jump? Any guesses as to why?

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Postby sundaynightdelite » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:13 pm

Who would be going to a tier 1 school if they would've picked another school.....

This guy. ASU.

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Postby aIvin adams » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:13 pm

YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


guy-who-only-applied-to-asu-and-persistently-predicted-its-imminent-ascension-in-the-rankings did. :twisted:

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Postby Burgstaller04 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:18 pm

YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor. Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?
ASU did amazing. 20 spots and leapfrogging U of A for the first time. That's ridiculously good for them.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby doinmybest » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:18 pm

Why are people lamenting Bama's 8 place drop?? I thought we were in consensus that they were overrated and their ranking was hollow due to gaming the system.

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Postby thecilent » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:18 pm

underdawg wrote:WHAT GPA DO NYU 2L's NEED TO TRANSFER TO CLS/CHI?!?!


This is great.

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Postby leraa6587 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:20 pm

ejjones wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


Yes, does that constitue the largest jump? Any guesses as to why?



So that USNWR made sure we knew what a joke they are. Seriously? a tie between BU, Emory, ND, Minnesota and BU/Emory got kicked out of t20 by george washington (#28 last year)?? This is so stupid, I know it doesn't make a big difference from one to the other but Emory and Minnesota clearly beat BU and ND. And don't even get me started on George Washington or ASU. Or Hofstra. Or Hawaii. or...the list goes on and on.

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Postby Ragged » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:21 pm

I'm late to the party but..uhh... nice thread.

rayiner wrote:
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Also, is this subtle USC trolling? Why is there a gap between them and the pack that follows?


It's a visual representation of the USNWR scores. There is a gap because there is a score gap.


T14 is so misleading. It's Y - H - S - C - CN - BPMVND - CGUTV


underdawg wrote:WHAT GPA DO NYU 2L's NEED TO TRANSFER TO CLS/CHI?!?!


Nice. :lol:

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Postby booboo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:21 pm

YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


You are on top of your game YCrev...

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Postby Always Credited » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:21 pm

leraa6587 wrote:
ejjones wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


Yes, does that constitue the largest jump? Any guesses as to why?



So that USNWR made sure we knew what a joke they are. Seriously? a tie between BU, Emory, ND, Minnesota and BU/Emory got kicked out of t20 by george washington (#28 last year)?? This is so stupid, I know it doesn't make a big difference from one to the other but Emory and Minnesota clearly beat BU and ND. And don't even get me started on George Washington or ASU. Or Hofstra. Or Hawaii. or...the list goes on and on.


Yeah GWU is really a shit school man. Same league as Hofstra/ASU/hawaii for sure.

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Postby Close Diamond » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:21 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


guy-who-only-applied-to-asu-and-persistently-predicted-its-imminent-ascension-in-the-rankings did. :twisted:

Surprised me. But the numbers look good: 90% employed at graduation.

It's nice to have two T1's in AZ.

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Postby Fancy Pants » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:22 pm

leraa6587 wrote:
ejjones wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


Yes, does that constitue the largest jump? Any guesses as to why?



So that USNWR made sure we knew what a joke they are. Seriously? a tie between BU, Emory, ND, Minnesota and BU/Emory got kicked out of t20 by george washington (#28 last year)?? This is so stupid, I know it doesn't make a big difference from one to the other but Emory and Minnesota clearly beat BU and ND. And don't even get me started on George Washington or ASU. Or Hofstra. Or Hawaii. or...the list goes on and on.


LOLOLOLOL

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Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:23 pm

doinmybest wrote:Why are people lamenting Bama's 8 place drop?? I thought we were in consensus that they were overrated and their ranking was hollow due to gaming the system.


Not as overrated as Iowa, though.

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Postby soullesswonder » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:23 pm

Burgstaller04 wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor. Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?
ASU did amazing. 20 spots and leapfrogging U of A for the first time. That's ridiculously good for them.


watch them give back at least 10 spots next year. What USNWR giveth, it also taketh away.

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Postby eagles86 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:23 pm

Miami +11 to 60..ahead of Brooklyn, Villanova. Making me feel better about going there already! :lol:

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby D. H2Oman » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:24 pm

Editing this for stupid.

leraa6587 wrote:So [strike]that USNWR made sure we knew what a joke they are. Seriously? a tie between BU, Emory, ND, Minnesota and BU/Emory got kicked out of t20 by george washington (#28 last year)?? This is so stupid, I know it doesn't make a big difference from one to the other but Emory and Minnesota clearly beat BU and ND. And don't even get me started on George Washington or ASU. Or Hofstra. Or Hawaii. or...the list goes on and on[/strike].


All done.

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Postby pinkzeppelin » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:24 pm

leraa6587 wrote:
ejjones wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


Yes, does that constitue the largest jump? Any guesses as to why?



So that USNWR made sure we knew what a joke they are. Seriously? a tie between BU, Emory, ND, Minnesota and BU/Emory got kicked out of t20 by george washington (#28 last year)?? This is so stupid, I know it doesn't make a big difference from one to the other but Emory and Minnesota clearly beat BU and ND. And don't even get me started on George Washington or ASU. Or Hofstra. Or Hawaii. or...the list goes on and on.


Hmmm an emory troll with a UGA tar... interesting

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Postby Always Credited » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:25 pm

D. H2Oman wrote:Editing this for stupid.

leraa6587 wrote:So [strike]that USNWR made sure we knew what a joke they are. Seriously? a tie between BU, Emory, ND, Minnesota and BU/Emory got kicked out of t20 by george washington (#28 last year)?? This is so stupid, I know it doesn't make a big difference from one to the other but Emory and Minnesota clearly beat BU and ND. And don't even get me started on George Washington or ASU. Or Hofstra. Or Hawaii. or...the list goes on and on[/strike].


All done.


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Postby YCrevolution » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:25 pm

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Postby aIvin adams » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:25 pm

soullesswonder wrote:
Burgstaller04 wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor. Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?
ASU did amazing. 20 spots and leapfrogging U of A for the first time. That's ridiculously good for them.


watch them give back at least 10 spots next year. What USNWR giveth, it also taketh away.


asu's dean isnt playing around. he wants up on the rankings. asu has the resources and legal environment to get it done if nobody f's it up.

of course, they also have the resources and athletic environment to run out competitive ncaa football and basketball programs, but they dont.

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Postby im_blue » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:26 pm

leraa6587 wrote:
ejjones wrote:
YCrevolution wrote:I'm compiling a list with last year's ranks (and changes) in parentheses for Law School Predictor.

Anyone notice the big Arizona State jump?


Yes, does that constitue the largest jump? Any guesses as to why?



So that USNWR made sure we knew what a joke they are. Seriously? a tie between BU, Emory, ND, Minnesota and BU/Emory got kicked out of t20 by george washington (#28 last year)?? This is so stupid, I know it doesn't make a big difference from one to the other but Emory and Minnesota clearly beat BU and ND. And don't even get me started on George Washington or ASU. Or Hofstra. Or Hawaii. or...the list goes on and on.

GW's FT medians are 3.76/167, making it the 17th most selective law school, behind only the T13, Texas, UCLA, and Vandy. The consensus is that GW was underranked last year due to their PT numbers.




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