USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby jcl2 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:39 pm

amputatedbrain wrote:Rough year for Washington state . . . UW drops a couple slots, Seattle U almost 10, and Gonzaga falls of the face of the Earth


Doesn't matter much, there is quite a bit of east coast bias, and below 15-17 the more important thing is regional ranking.

The ranking of PNW schools is pretty much the same with 1. UW 2. L&C 3. UO 4. SU 5. Gonzaga and 6. Willamette. And not any real difference between 2-4 or 5-6.

In the west in general I guess UW fell from 5 to 6 behind UC Davis, but they are only separated by one point in the numerical scores, so I think it is pretty meaningless.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby booboo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:39 pm

honestabe84 wrote:
booboo wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:When determining the ranking of a particular school, there is a certain amount of weight that is put on the LSAT (.35?). Does anyone know how USNWR handles multiple LSAT scores? Does it average scores? For example, as far as rankings are concerned, would it matter if each applicant admitted had taken the test three times with scores 150, 157, and a 180 as opposed to if each applicant had only taken the test once and got 180?


The reason most schools take the highest LSAT now is because the ABA is okay with schools reporting the highest LSAT score for matriculants. Therefore, the 150, 157, 180 person would effectively work as a 180 for whatever school the person wished to attend.


Yes, I understand that, but as far as the USNWR rankings are concerned, does it make it sense for a school to admit the latter (180) as opposed to the former (150, 157, 180)?


Well a school with be in serious review of why there is 30 point increase, and an even more marked 23 point increase to a perfect score. But functionally, and for the USNWR, it doesn't matter. But this doesn't matter, as though schools try to work their admissions towards rankings, they have many qualified applicants that can help them achieve that goal, which could mean that 150, 157, 180 could be WL/rejected.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:39 pm

hiromoto45 wrote:
OGR3 wrote:
hiromoto45 wrote:What happened to SUNY-Buffalo?


USNWR realized that it's in Buffalo...


But what's its rank now? I don't think Syracuse is better than Buffalo for that region.


I assume its a tier 3. I find it highly unlikely that it dropped to tier 4 status.

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Postby arhmcpo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:39 pm

D. H2Oman wrote:
hiromoto45 wrote:What happened to SUNY-Buffalo?



The new weather metric seems to have hurt them.


*lol-ing from Malibu :lol:

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Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:42 pm

booboo wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:
booboo wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:When determining the ranking of a particular school, there is a certain amount of weight that is put on the LSAT (.35?). Does anyone know how USNWR handles multiple LSAT scores? Does it average scores? For example, as far as rankings are concerned, would it matter if each applicant admitted had taken the test three times with scores 150, 157, and a 180 as opposed to if each applicant had only taken the test once and got 180?


The reason most schools take the highest LSAT now is because the ABA is okay with schools reporting the highest LSAT score for matriculants. Therefore, the 150, 157, 180 person would effectively work as a 180 for whatever school the person wished to attend.


Yes, I understand that, but as far as the USNWR rankings are concerned, does it make it sense for a school to admit the latter (180) as opposed to the former (150, 157, 180)?


Well a school with be in serious review of why there is 30 point increase, and an even more marked 23 point increase to a perfect score. But functionally, and for the USNWR, it doesn't matter. But this doesn't matter, as though schools try to work their admissions towards rankings, they have many qualified applicants that can help them achieve that goal, which could mean that 150, 157, 180 could be WL/rejected.


ok, because I thought the reason some schools still average scores is because USNWR averages when it ranks schools.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby booboo » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:43 pm

honestabe84 wrote:
ok, because I thought the reason some schools still average scores is because USNWR averages.


USNWR doesn't average because it receives its data from the ABA, which does not mandate for schools to average anymore.

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Postby Rock Chalk » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:45 pm

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:47 pm

booboo wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:
ok, because I thought the reason some schools still average scores is because USNWR averages.


USNWR doesn't average because it receives its data from the ABA, which does not mandate for schools to average anymore.


I see, but how do you know that the ABA doesn't report all scores to USNWR? I realize that the ABA asks schools to take the highest score, but this does not mean that don't release all scores to USNWR, right?

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Postby maudlinstreet » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:49 pm

Rock Chalk wrote:JS Mill, nice Cal Pen reference. I think it deserves credit. Bravo.

haha, indeed - I chuckled!

glad to see columbia is holding it down at #4 :P

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Postby quickquestionthanks » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:50 pm

Rock Chalk wrote:JS Mill, nice Cal Pen reference. I think it deserves credit. Bravo.



ooooohhhhh ha! nice one

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Postby Rock Chalk » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:50 pm

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Postby GentlemanJim » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:51 pm

As someone who was considering attending South Carolina with a scholarship, I'm aghast.

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Postby nycparalegal » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:52 pm

Whoa GW back in the top 20

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Postby rayiner » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:52 pm

Rock Chalk wrote:--ImageRemoved--
Also, is this subtle USC trolling? Why is there a gap between them and the pack that follows?


It's a visual representation of the USNWR scores. There is a gap because there is a score gap.

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Postby T14_Scholly » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:53 pm

I think the radical changes in the T2 only highlight the extent to which the ranking formula can be gamed and the ludicracy of assuming that year-to-year ranking changes have much practical impact.
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Postby The Pen Is Mightier » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:53 pm

Dunno if there are doubters left, but I just confirmed that the magazine is indeed at that particular newsstand. Theyre charging $13 a copy so I wasn't in the mood to shell out for info I already had.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby ggocat » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:54 pm

PitchO20 wrote:
RayFinkle wrote:
PitchO20 wrote:
NYVA311 wrote:I'm probably the only one who cares but can someone post/or simply tell me if U of Baltimore moved from T4 to T3?


UBalt did jump up to T3


What's the basis for this?



Umm...the leaked rankings that have been discussed non-stop for the past 22 pages?

Unless you're referring to what caused the jump up to T3, in which case I have no clue.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49285543@N07/

Probably has something to do with an at-graduation employment rate of 93.4% (notwithstanding a bar passage rate of 84.6).

Can anyone say LOL?

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Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:55 pm

How about IU....

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Postby Rock Chalk » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:55 pm

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby Slimpee » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:56 pm

honestabe84 wrote:How about IU....


Indiana? They were destined to fall this year...still, 27 is nothing to scoff at!

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Postby honestabe84 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:57 pm

Slimpee wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:How about IU....


Indiana? They were destined to fall this year...still, 27 is nothing to scoff at!


Ya, I always thought that they were ranked a bit too high.

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Postby T14_Scholly » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:02 pm

I think this tidbit from an ATL commenter says it all:

I agree that the rankings need input from other sources as well to give a more rounded opinion. Its sort of like when you fart in the car when you're by yourself. You if it smells really bad or just a little unpleasant. But to really now how awful that day-after-a-bing fart truly is, you have to have a couple of friends in the car with you and you have to be able to lock the windows so that you can hotbox the folks along for the ride. Only then will you know the true rank of the fart.


EDIT: ATL commenters are pretty funny.

"Take, for example, U.S. News’ measuring of the number of volumes in a school’s law library, which is especially irrelevant in today’s digital age."

I agree with Dean van Zandt regarding the need for additional rankings that value other metrics. But it seems the Dean van Zandt has not done all of the requisite homework on this issue. Take his comment about library statistics for example. As it turns out, The Thomas Cooley School of Law publishes rankings that also place some considerable weight on the library. While Dean van Zandt cavalierly dismisses such metrics as "especially irrelevant," it turns out that not only are there ranking alternatives to U.S. News, but they, too, use library metrics.

Of course, this does not mean that measures of the library are unassailable. But it is a bit disappointing to see Dean van Zandt lament a dearth of alternative rankings and simultaneously criticize library metrics. Apparently he did not realize that not only are there alternative rankings, but those alternatives also employ library based metrics in no small measure. I believe this unaddressed oversight undercuts the strength of Dean van Zandt's position with respect to both the absence of alternative rankings and the use of library metrics in ranking law schools.
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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby underdawg » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:04 pm

WHAT GPA DO NYU 2L's NEED TO TRANSFER TO CLS/CHI?!?!

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Postby YCrevolution » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:06 pm

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Postby 98234872348 » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:07 pm

underdawg wrote:WHAT GPA DO NYU 2L's NEED TO TRANSFER TO CLS/CHI?!?!

epic.




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