USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby thickfreakness » Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:34 pm

Topher wrote:Pro-GULC trolling ensues...

Because I am utterly fed up with all of the anti-Georgetown trolling that plagues these boards for reasons that utterly escape me - the most recent of which in this particular thread being the separation of GULC from the rest of the T-14 in both the pictures post and the "T13" of Desert Fox, as if it does not belong in the same breath as Cornell, Northwestern, Virginia, and Duke - I feel the need to point out the bullshit-ness of the USNews rankings when it comes to law school programs. Georgetown, being the only T-14 school that offers a Part-Time Program, get's utterly screwed by the selectivity rating. Since Part-Time programs are easier to get into, Georgetown's selectivity score takes a hit. If the rankings were to be a true comparison of the top law schools, then they really should reflect the fact that many of the top schools don't offer Part Time programs, rather than allowing the schools like Georgetown and GW to take a beating compared to their true peers who do not have a less selective Part-Time program weighing down their selectivity rating.

So, those of you who are pissed Georgetown didn't accept you and those of you who think that Georgetown is beneath you because you got into a "better" program according to the flawed USNews calculation can continue your trolling, but you people are ridiculous.


Note: it also doesn't get into the "T12" of thickfreakness (and all of this years and last's supporting data), but at least you guys have Cornell to be friends with, along with Vandy, UT, and UCLA.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby toolfan » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:02 pm

Can someone juxtapose the three images together. Depressing.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby scalozo » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:08 pm

Buffalo released the following statement during their admitted students online chat tonight:

US News and World Report will release its 2010 -11 Ranking of Law Schools. As you may have heard, UB Law School will be listed in the third tier of law schools. As you can imagine, we are all disappointed and frustrated by this outcome. UB Law has reached significant new milestones in our progress over the last several years. The median GPA and LSAT scores are the highest in our history. Employers give our graduates superior marks for quality. We have an excellent faculty, and have attracted star new faculty members to UB Law. We have worked hard to build upon and enhance our program and curriculum, most notably our Skills Program. Our Law School has experienced significant variations in our ranking over the last several years. This volatility points to a serious problem with the integrity and credibility of the methodology. During one of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the factor which seemed to be the mot at play for this year’s ranking was the employment rate. We have been working diligently to improve our ranking and will continue to do so. Tonight, I ask that you take advantage of the students, administrators, and professors gathered here to discuss the wonderful qualities about UB Law that encouraged you to apply!


The statement also confirms what everyone already knows: the leaked rankings are legit.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby Apple Tree » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:09 pm

2 out of the 3 schools that didn't admit me fell in the ranking. They should've known better. :P

SO glad I didn't decide to go to Alabama.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby honestabe84 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:23 pm

scalozo wrote:Buffalo released the following statement during their admitted students online chat tonight:

US News and World Report will release its 2010 -11 Ranking of Law Schools. As you may have heard, UB Law School will be listed in the third tier of law schools. As you can imagine, we are all disappointed and frustrated by this outcome. UB Law has reached significant new milestones in our progress over the last several years. The median GPA and LSAT scores are the highest in our history. Employers give our graduates superior marks for quality. We have an excellent faculty, and have attracted star new faculty members to UB Law. We have worked hard to build upon and enhance our program and curriculum, most notably our Skills Program. Our Law School has experienced significant variations in our ranking over the last several years. This volatility points to a serious problem with the integrity and credibility of the methodology. During one of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the factor which seemed to be the mot at play for this year’s ranking was the employment rate. We have been working diligently to improve our ranking and will continue to do so. Tonight, I ask that you take advantage of the students, administrators, and professors gathered here to discuss the wonderful qualities about UB Law that encouraged you to apply!


The statement also confirms what everyone already knows: the leaked rankings are legit.


This is so pathetic. They say that the rankings lack integrity/credibility and yet they strive to increase their ranking. What they should say is that UB is the same school as it was last year as it is this year.

So this basically what UB is saying "US News sucks, but we're determined to increase our rankings, so we're going to start to be obsessed with numbers the way IUB is."

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby scalozo » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:27 pm

honestabe84 wrote:
scalozo wrote:Buffalo released the following statement during their admitted students online chat tonight:

US News and World Report will release its 2010 -11 Ranking of Law Schools. As you may have heard, UB Law School will be listed in the third tier of law schools. As you can imagine, we are all disappointed and frustrated by this outcome. UB Law has reached significant new milestones in our progress over the last several years. The median GPA and LSAT scores are the highest in our history. Employers give our graduates superior marks for quality. We have an excellent faculty, and have attracted star new faculty members to UB Law. We have worked hard to build upon and enhance our program and curriculum, most notably our Skills Program. Our Law School has experienced significant variations in our ranking over the last several years. This volatility points to a serious problem with the integrity and credibility of the methodology. During one of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the factor which seemed to be the mot at play for this year’s ranking was the employment rate. We have been working diligently to improve our ranking and will continue to do so. Tonight, I ask that you take advantage of the students, administrators, and professors gathered here to discuss the wonderful qualities about UB Law that encouraged you to apply!


The statement also confirms what everyone already knows: the leaked rankings are legit.


This is so pathetic. They say that the rankings lack integrity/credibility and yet they strive to increase their ranking. What they should say is that UB is the same school as it was last year as it is this year.

So this basically what UB is saying "US News sucks, but we're determined to increase our rankings, so we're going to start to be obsessed with numbers the way IUB is."


So true. Pretty hypocritical. It's the same every year. All of the schools that go up in the rankings praise the rankings for recognizing the quality of their programs and all of the schools that go down denounce the rankings as flawed.

Also, it looks like US News has posted the rankings to its website early because the new rankings are there.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby honestabe84 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:29 pm

scalozo wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:
scalozo wrote:Buffalo released the following statement during their admitted students online chat tonight:

US News and World Report will release its 2010 -11 Ranking of Law Schools. As you may have heard, UB Law School will be listed in the third tier of law schools. As you can imagine, we are all disappointed and frustrated by this outcome. UB Law has reached significant new milestones in our progress over the last several years. The median GPA and LSAT scores are the highest in our history. Employers give our graduates superior marks for quality. We have an excellent faculty, and have attracted star new faculty members to UB Law. We have worked hard to build upon and enhance our program and curriculum, most notably our Skills Program. Our Law School has experienced significant variations in our ranking over the last several years. This volatility points to a serious problem with the integrity and credibility of the methodology. During one of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the factor which seemed to be the mot at play for this year’s ranking was the employment rate. We have been working diligently to improve our ranking and will continue to do so. Tonight, I ask that you take advantage of the students, administrators, and professors gathered here to discuss the wonderful qualities about UB Law that encouraged you to apply!


The statement also confirms what everyone already knows: the leaked rankings are legit.


This is so pathetic. They say that the rankings lack integrity/credibility and yet they strive to increase their ranking. What they should say is that UB is the same school as it was last year as it is this year.

So this basically what UB is saying "US News sucks, but we're determined to increase our rankings, so we're going to start to be obsessed with numbers the way IUB is."


So true. Pretty hypocritical. It's the same every year. All of the schools that go up in the rankings praise the rankings for recognizing the quality of their programs and all of the schools that go down denounce the rankings as flawed.

Also, it looks like US News has posted the rankings to its website early because the new rankings are there.


They missed soooo much traffic on their website because of this leak....

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby BarbellDreams » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:32 pm

Mizzou is -28?! Wow. I heard they were seriously suffering in employment but I did not think it was going to be this bad.

Anyone have any explanations for:

Mizzou (above)
Hawaii (Where did this come from? ITE Hawaii has to be dying)
Hofstra (Oversaturated Market with a mediocre school with a even more mediocre name recognition?)
St. Johns (See Hofstra)
Temple (Temple still places very well in top firms in Philly and has mild portability to DC and NY, what gives?)
Miami (I just dont really like this diploma mill. That market is tough and Miami gives out JDs like candy, why the rise?)
West Virginia (I have no ties to this school but am actually very happy they finally cracked the t2. SHould dominate that market since no one graduating out of state will want to come TO WV, but with that said WV is as small of a market as you will find, so why the jump?)


On a side note, I have a pure and utter hate deep within my soul for WIsconsin and it sickens me to see them in the t30. WHy oh why...

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby PDaddy » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:34 pm

Settled! They were real! All of my favorite schools rose except for one...and everybody knows what that school is. But this year's numbers will kick in for next year and that school will be back where it belongs (top-40 or better.

Go Chicago!
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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby honestabe84 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:35 pm

Nevermind
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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby Lupton Pittman » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:36 pm

funny how Buffalo and Syracuse switched places.

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Postby JCougar » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:37 pm

Why in the world would anyone hate Wisconsin? It's one of the nicest law schools out there and it just sits in Madison and does its thang. Diploma privilege throughout the state, and plus Madison has decriminalized pot.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby 98234872348 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:37 pm

BarbellDreams wrote:Mizzou is -28?! Wow. I heard they were seriously suffering in employment but I did not think it was going to be this bad.

Anyone have any explanations for:

Mizzou (above)
Hawaii (Where did this come from? ITE Hawaii has to be dying)
Hofstra (Oversaturated Market with a mediocre school with a even more mediocre name recognition?)
St. Johns (See Hofstra)
Temple (Temple still places very well in top firms in Philly and has mild portability to DC and NY, what gives?)
Miami (I just dont really like this diploma mill. That market is tough and Miami gives out JDs like candy, why the rise?)
West Virginia (I have no ties to this school but am actually very happy they finally cracked the t2. SHould dominate that market since no one graduating out of state will want to come TO WV, but with that said WV is as small of a market as you will find, so why the jump?)


On a side note, I have a pure and utter hate deep within my soul for WIsconsin and it sickens me to see them in the t30. WHy oh why...


Lol rankings beyond 20 (maybe 30) are arbitrary.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby scalozo » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:38 pm

honestabe84 wrote:We actually have to log in to see the rankings on US News's website. I guess that just gives me one more reason not to use their website.

I didn't have to log-in. Try going here: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/rankings

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Postby mepg » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:40 pm

Yellowcard wrote:Does anyone know how ASU managed to jump so many spots and overcame Arizona in the rankings? What statistically does ASU have that makes it so much different than last year? Can anyone explain this without posting a picture of ASU cheerleaders?


I am a 1L at ASU. Statistically, we have the strongest class the law school has seen, ASU has great student/faculty ratio, and and perhaps USWNR finally realized that Phoenix is a better place than Tucson to launch a legal career. Really I think the rankings just affirm that ASU and UA are very equal schools.

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Postby MoS » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:54 pm

I f-ing hate Tuscon. Just felt I needed to say that.

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Postby Son of Cicero » Wed Apr 14, 2010 9:58 pm

honestabe84 wrote:
honestabe84 wrote:I think we can all agree that GeorgeTTTown should be ranked somewhere between 20 and 30.


Just kidding. That's a flame. I wish I even had a chance in hell at being waitlisted at Georgetown.


honestabe84 wrote:They missed soooo much traffic on their website because of this leak....

Damn you and your one-two punch, Abe. First you win us over with your endearing, rail-splittingly honest ways, then, once you have been allowed near our oft-wounded but still foolishly optimistic hearts, you start prodding us in the soft spot with these little guilt-inducing pokes. :(

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Postby webbylu87 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:15 pm

JCougar wrote:...plus Madison has decriminalized pot.


Wait. What?!

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Postby T14_Scholly » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:24 pm

Apple Tree wrote:
SO glad I didn't decide to go to Alabama.


YOu're right - if Alabama had stayed at 30, it would be a school worth going to.

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Postby Bustang » Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:35 pm

T14_Scholly wrote:
Apple Tree wrote:
SO glad I didn't decide to go to Alabama.


YOu're right - if Alabama had stayed at 30, it would be a school worth going to.


:lol: :lol:

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Postby JCougar » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:08 pm

webbylu87 wrote:
JCougar wrote:...plus Madison has decriminalized pot.


Wait. What?!


Eh, I guess what I said was a little bit extreme. I had heard through the grapevine that this was technically true, but it seems to only be effectively true.

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The DA's office has simply said it won't prosecute anyone for under 25 grams. Not that anyone should care when faced with a grueling law school curriculum... :wink:
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Postby Always Credited » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:14 pm

JCougar wrote:
webbylu87 wrote:
JCougar wrote:...plus Madison has decriminalized pot.


Wait. What?!


Eh, I guess what I said was a little bit extreme. I had heard through the grapevine that this was technically true, but it seems to only be effectively true.

--LinkRemoved--

The DA's office has simply said it won't prosecute anyone for under 25 grams. Not that anyone should care when faced with a grueling law school curriculum...


Yeah, 25 grams wouldn't be nearly enough. I wouldn't be caught dead with that little weed on me.

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Postby chitown825 » Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:56 pm

Most rankings are arbitrary. Alabama could be ranked 15 and you're still not going to get a job in NYC with it.

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Postby sundevil77 » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:05 am

mepg wrote:
Yellowcard wrote:Does anyone know how ASU managed to jump so many spots and overcame Arizona in the rankings? What statistically does ASU have that makes it so much different than last year? Can anyone explain this without posting a picture of ASU cheerleaders?


I am a 1L at ASU. Statistically, we have the strongest class the law school has seen, ASU has great student/faculty ratio, and and perhaps USWNR finally realized that Phoenix is a better place than Tucson to launch a legal career. Really I think the rankings just affirm that ASU and UA are very equal schools.


Ummm...last time I checked "location" is not one of the criteria used in the USNWR rankings. Employment at a graduation was a pretty big difference between the two schools (ASU 90%, UA 77%). I've written in other threads that I find it hard to believe that two very similar schools have such disparate employment at graduation rates. I think this speaks to manipulation of data that goes on behind the scenes. I agree with mepg that the schools are pretty equal.

Still, look at the NLJ 250 statistics or judicial clerkship placements and you'll see that UA is head and shoulders above ASU.

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Re: USNWR Rankings Released...Seriously

Postby FuManChusco » Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:17 am

mistergoft wrote:Lol rankings beyond 20 (maybe 30) are arbitrary.


I get the fact that T2 and TTT are pretty arbitrary, but you're being ridiculous. It comes down to region, but BU/BC>>>NE, Fordham>>>>>>Cardozo, etc. Rankings are still worthwhile beyond 20. If you're going to make these claims at least say it's meaningless after T13, aka, GTTTTTTTown.




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