sundevil77 wrote:mepg wrote:Yellowcard wrote:Does anyone know how ASU managed to jump so many spots and overcame Arizona in the rankings? What statistically does ASU have that makes it so much different than last year? Can anyone explain this without posting a picture of ASU cheerleaders?
I am a 1L at ASU. Statistically, we have the strongest class the law school has seen, ASU has great student/faculty ratio, and and perhaps USWNR finally realized that Phoenix is a better place than Tucson to launch a legal career. Really I think the rankings just affirm that ASU and UA are very equal schools.
Ummm...last time I checked "location" is not one of the criteria used in the USNWR rankings. Employment at a graduation was a pretty big difference between the two schools (ASU 90%, UA 77%). I've written in other threads that I find it hard to believe that two very similar schools have such disparate employment at graduation rates. I think this speaks to manipulation of data that goes on behind the scenes. I agree with mepg that the schools are pretty equal.
Still, look at the NLJ 250 statistics or judicial clerkship placements and you'll see that UA is head and shoulders above ASU.
I will not dispute that ASU may have found a way to boost the employment numbers (our new dean has great hopes for the school so more power to him for finally getting us past UA in the rankings). I was getting at that perhaps ASU has decent employment numbers at graduation because they are in Phoenix. I can tell you that it is much easier to network/interview when you are 15 minutes from most firms and government positions versus having to drive over 2 hours. Since only a 1/3 of UA students stay in Tucson to work, that leaves 2/3 of the student body scrambling to find employment in Phoenix and out of state (which if you don't have something by 3L year means it will be much more difficult than being in the city where you want to work). UA and ASU have very close employment statistics after 9 months (gives people in Tucson time to find jobs). I have nothing negative to say about UA as a school; I had a tough choice choosing between the two. I just know that there is a lot more leg work for finding opportunities when in Tucson (not to mention re-locating over every break) than in Phoenix (I have friends in UA who are up in Phoenix all of the time and who will be relocating for the summer).
So while UA has some advantages, ASU has some advantages too....which is why the schools are only 4 spots apart.