Re: So torn: Pepperdine vs. U of H? Malibu or stinky Houston?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:41 am
What did you decide?
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Gatriel wrote:Ok, so I threw this together real quick:
If you borrow $30,000 a semester for Pepperdine (realistic, living expenses, etc.) and you have an 8% interest rate on your loans (which is on the high side of things. Being conservative)
Then the present value of your Pepperdine Legal Education is $157,264.11. Future Value is $198,989.26 at the time of graduation.
Lets say you want to pay it off in a decade, and make monthly payments at a reduced interest rate of say . . . . 3% your looking at $1,921.45 a month for 10 years.
This assumes a few things:
A) Its all loans, no scholarships, grants, etc.
B) You have no outstanding UG debt to pay back
Houston is as follows @ $25,000 per year ($12,500 per semester)
I% = 8% while in law schools
Present Value of Houston is $65,526.71
Future Value of Houston (What you would owe at the time of graduation): $82,912.20
Pay it all off in a decade at 3%: $800.61 per month for ten years.
Again, I assume you get not loans, scholarships, or grants, and you have no UG debt.
--Garrett
EDIT: I know someone else is looking at Washington and Lee, the Pepperdine numbers above are equivalent to the WL cost and repayment.
Ok, so lemme break this down into 3 parts:tx1987 wrote: At Pepperdine, I'd be borrowing $50,000 a year if I keep my scholarship and $50,000 for the first year and $65,000 for the second and third years if I don't. I have $33,000 in UG debt.
Thanks for all your work! I could not figure out how to work that calculator thing.
+1BarbellDreams wrote:Please do not go to Pepperdine. I seriously feel sorry for people that go to schools Like USD, Pepperdine, SC thinking that because they are solid T2s they will be fine. In reality the market in california is horrendous and over-saturated. You are competing against Boalt, Hastings, Davis, Stanford, UCLA, and USC (also Loyola, but that one is similarly ranked). If you think it is reasonable to take out that much debt for Pepperdine in THAT market with THAT competition, you shouldn't be going to law school to begin with. Houston dominates that market, has to compete with a couple of schools tops, and has more jobs available. Please go to Houston, do yourself a big favor.
CMDantes wrote:+1BarbellDreams wrote:Please do not go to Pepperdine. I seriously feel sorry for people that go to schools Like USD, Pepperdine, SC thinking that because they are solid T2s they will be fine. In reality the market in california is horrendous and over-saturated. You are competing against Boalt, Hastings, Davis, Stanford, UCLA, and USC (also Loyola, but that one is similarly ranked). If you think it is reasonable to take out that much debt for Pepperdine in THAT market with THAT competition, you shouldn't be going to law school to begin with. Houston dominates that market, has to compete with a couple of schools tops, and has more jobs available. Please go to Houston, do yourself a big favor.
If we're talking about biglaw it's not even remotely arguable. To quote a former UH law student "we pretty much take UT's scraps." You also have some t10 folks competing for jobs as well.RadMobile wrote:
UH is a great school and has a big home market which they dominate. A UT grad may be picked over a UH grad in Houston but that's arguable.
Also, are these your only two options and have you maxed out on the LSAT? I'm not going to recite the canned "Get a 170, reapply next cycle, go to a t14, profit" advice that alot of people like to give on here since not everyone is capable of getting a 170+. But if you were accepted to UH, I'm guessing your LSAT score couldn't be too far from getting you in somewhere like UGA or Florida which has relatively cheap instate tuition, low COL and the ability to gain residency after one year. These could be semi-reasonable options if you HAVE to get out of Houston.tx1987 wrote:
But, the thing is, I don't want to stay/work in Houston. That I know for sure (and it's about the only thing I know right now).
It really amazes how rude people are when everything is anonymous. My whole point is that I want to leave Texas and going to U of H would be pretty much the OPPOSITE of fulfilling that goal because my degree will not carry much weight outside of here. I understand that, logically, U of H is the better choice. I just can't bring myself to be miserable for the next 3 (and most likely many more) years of my life living in a city that I have grown to really, really dislike.beesknees wrote:Seriously, this is LAW SCHOOL. Not picking your next spring break destination. Unless you are hyper sensitive and would be at a shrink's office every week because of your dissatisfaction with your immediate surroundings in Houston, don't pick a school based on its preferable location. Especially when that school will cost you potentially $100k more in debt.
If you ABSOLUTELY want to work in Cali and could not be happy in Texas, then I could see a case for Pepperdine. But if its just because its Malibu, its unreasonable.
The answer to this thread is U of H.
I got into SMU PT (don't really know why I didn't get in FT), U of H, Pepperdine, Baylor, and U. of S. Carolina. I've gotten WL offers at UT, UGA, Emory, and American. Oh, I also found out today that I got into George Mason.Stringer Bell wrote:Also, are these your only two options and have you maxed out on the LSAT? I'm not going to recite the canned "Get a 170, reapply next cycle, go to a t14, profit" advice that alot of people like to give on here since not everyone is capable of getting a 170+. But if you were accepted to UH, I'm guessing your LSAT score couldn't be too far from getting you in somewhere like UGA or Florida which has relatively cheap instate tuition, low COL and the ability to gain residency after one year. These could be semi-reasonable options if you HAVE to get out of Houston.tx1987 wrote:
But, the thing is, I don't want to stay/work in Houston. That I know for sure (and it's about the only thing I know right now).
Ok, sorry for my bluntness, but your original post seemed a tad ridiculous because you're essentially asking if you should choose a school because its in Malibu or a school in spite of not being in Malibu. I'm not on here to win the biggest d-bag award, so let me rephrase it:tx1987 wrote:
It really amazes how rude people are when everything is anonymous. My whole point is that I want to leave Texas and going to U of H would be pretty much the OPPOSITE of fulfilling that goal because my degree will not carry much weight outside of here. I understand that, logically, U of H is the better choice. I just can't bring myself to be miserable for the next 3 (and most likely many more) years of my life living in a city that I have grown to really, really dislike.
But thank you for your opinion.
Personally, my thought process would be quite a bit different. Most law students will tell you that counting on a transfer is unwise. I understand that you have a connection, but how much of a sure thing is it? And let's say hypothetically that somehow a transfer is guaranteed, it would make alot more sense to suck it up and go to UH for one year and save the 20k compounding with interest since you would be graduating from UT in both scenarios. Another thing you may want to weigh is the ability UH would give you to take a mulligan on law school. If you found out after the first semester that you stink at taking law school exams, dropping out 13k down would be alot easier than the 30-35k it would probably cost you to make the same decision if you went to Pepperdine.tx1987 wrote:
I got into SMU PT (don't really know why I didn't get in FT), U of H, Pepperdine, Baylor, and U. of S. Carolina. I've gotten WL offers at UT, UGA, Emory, and American. Oh, I also found out today that I got into George Mason.
I think I could do better on the LSAT, but I'm not going to retake it. I've already taken a year off and I'm anxious to get the ball rolling on law school. I was considering going to Pepperdine for a year and then trying to transfer into UT (I used to work for the former UT chancellor/law school dean and he said he'd help me). I know I've gotten into a couple of "better" schools than Pepperdine, but I've just heard such great things about that school, the QOL, the profs, etc. ALL of the former students I've talked to had nothing but wonderful things to say and they seemed to genuinely enjoy law school.
hahaha, agreed.beesknees wrote:Seriously, this is LAW SCHOOL. Not picking your next spring break destination. Unless you are hyper sensitive and would be at a shrink's office every week because of your dissatisfaction with your immediate surroundings in Houston, don't pick a school based on its preferable location. Especially when that school will cost you potentially $100k more in debt.
If you ABSOLUTELY want to work in Cali and could not be happy in Texas, then I could see a case for Pepperdine. But if its just because its Malibu, its unreasonable.
The answer to this thread is U of H.
tx1987 wrote:It really amazes how rude people are when everything is anonymous. My whole point is that I want to leave Texas and going to U of H would be pretty much the OPPOSITE of fulfilling that goal because my degree will not carry much weight outside of here. I understand that, logically, U of H is the better choice. I just can't bring myself to be miserable for the next 3 (and most likely many more) years of my life living in a city that I have grown to really, really dislike.beesknees wrote:Seriously, this is LAW SCHOOL. Not picking your next spring break destination. Unless you are hyper sensitive and would be at a shrink's office every week because of your dissatisfaction with your immediate surroundings in Houston, don't pick a school based on its preferable location. Especially when that school will cost you potentially $100k more in debt.
If you ABSOLUTELY want to work in Cali and could not be happy in Texas, then I could see a case for Pepperdine. But if its just because its Malibu, its unreasonable.
The answer to this thread is U of H.
But thank you for your opinion.
You mean if you are confident that you want to collect unemployment in California with mountains of debt, then go to Pepperdine.arhmcpo wrote:If you are confident that you want to live and work in California, specifically southern California, than I would recommend Pepperdine.
Get a girlfriend.I just can't bring myself to be miserable for the next 3 (and most likely many more) years of my life living in a city that I have grown to really, really dislike.
I would if I was a lesbian.fortissimo wrote:Get a girlfriend.I just can't bring myself to be miserable for the next 3 (and most likely many more) years of my life living in a city that I have grown to really, really dislike.
tx1987 wrote:I would if I was a lesbian.fortissimo wrote:Get a girlfriend.I just can't bring myself to be miserable for the next 3 (and most likely many more) years of my life living in a city that I have grown to really, really dislike.
tx1987 wrote:I got into SMU PT (don't really know why I didn't get in FT), U of H, Pepperdine, Baylor, and U. of S. Carolina. I've gotten WL offers at UT, UGA, Emory, and American. Oh, I also found out today that I got into George Mason.Stringer Bell wrote:Also, are these your only two options and have you maxed out on the LSAT? I'm not going to recite the canned "Get a 170, reapply next cycle, go to a t14, profit" advice that alot of people like to give on here since not everyone is capable of getting a 170+. But if you were accepted to UH, I'm guessing your LSAT score couldn't be too far from getting you in somewhere like UGA or Florida which has relatively cheap instate tuition, low COL and the ability to gain residency after one year. These could be semi-reasonable options if you HAVE to get out of Houston.tx1987 wrote:
But, the thing is, I don't want to stay/work in Houston. That I know for sure (and it's about the only thing I know right now).
I think I could do better on the LSAT, but I'm not going to retake it. I've already taken a year off and I'm anxious to get the ball rolling on law school. I was considering going to Pepperdine for a year and then trying to transfer into UT (I used to work for the former UT chancellor/law school dean and he said he'd help me). I know I've gotten into a couple of "better" schools than Pepperdine, but I've just heard such great things about that school, the QOL, the profs, etc. ALL of the former students I've talked to had nothing but wonderful things to say and they seemed to genuinely enjoy law school.
I should have known. You complain like a woman. FFT, Pepperdine is considered a big party/religious (weird combo) school in CA, a party school for rich kids. Definitely not worth that amount of money. Also Malibu is extremely overrated. I really hate LA though. (I'd probably hate Houston too), but LA isn't nice for a lot of people.tx1987 wrote:I would if I was a lesbian.fortissimo wrote:Get a girlfriend.I just can't bring myself to be miserable for the next 3 (and most likely many more) years of my life living in a city that I have grown to really, really dislike.
[/strike]fortissimo wrote: [strike]I should have known. You complain like a woman. FFT, Pepperdine is considered a big party/religious (weird combo) school in CA, a party school for rich kids. Definitely not worth that amount of money. Also Malibu is extremely overrated. I really hate LA though.[/strike] (I[strike]'d probably[/strike] hate Houston too),[strike]but LA isn't nice for a lot of people.
Insane CoL and the impossibility of getting In-State make it a v. expensive option.HazelEyes wrote:tx1987 wrote:I got into SMU PT (don't really know why I didn't get in FT), U of H, Pepperdine, Baylor, and U. of S. Carolina. I've gotten WL offers at UT, UGA, Emory, and American. Oh, I also found out today that I got into George Mason.Stringer Bell wrote:Also, are these your only two options and have you maxed out on the LSAT? I'm not going to recite the canned "Get a 170, reapply next cycle, go to a t14, profit" advice that alot of people like to give on here since not everyone is capable of getting a 170+. But if you were accepted to UH, I'm guessing your LSAT score couldn't be too far from getting you in somewhere like UGA or Florida which has relatively cheap instate tuition, low COL and the ability to gain residency after one year. These could be semi-reasonable options if you HAVE to get out of Houston.tx1987 wrote:
But, the thing is, I don't want to stay/work in Houston. That I know for sure (and it's about the only thing I know right now).
I think I could do better on the LSAT, but I'm not going to retake it. I've already taken a year off and I'm anxious to get the ball rolling on law school. I was considering going to Pepperdine for a year and then trying to transfer into UT (I used to work for the former UT chancellor/law school dean and he said he'd help me). I know I've gotten into a couple of "better" schools than Pepperdine, but I've just heard such great things about that school, the QOL, the profs, etc. ALL of the former students I've talked to had nothing but wonderful things to say and they seemed to genuinely enjoy law school.
Why not go to George Mason?
I haven't heard the scholarship info for GMU, but since I'm probably not getting anything, it'll be expensive for me.HazelEyes wrote:tx1987 wrote:I got into SMU PT (don't really know why I didn't get in FT), U of H, Pepperdine, Baylor, and U. of S. Carolina. I've gotten WL offers at UT, UGA, Emory, and American. Oh, I also found out today that I got into George Mason.Stringer Bell wrote:Also, are these your only two options and have you maxed out on the LSAT? I'm not going to recite the canned "Get a 170, reapply next cycle, go to a t14, profit" advice that alot of people like to give on here since not everyone is capable of getting a 170+. But if you were accepted to UH, I'm guessing your LSAT score couldn't be too far from getting you in somewhere like UGA or Florida which has relatively cheap instate tuition, low COL and the ability to gain residency after one year. These could be semi-reasonable options if you HAVE to get out of Houston.tx1987 wrote:
But, the thing is, I don't want to stay/work in Houston. That I know for sure (and it's about the only thing I know right now).
I think I could do better on the LSAT, but I'm not going to retake it. I've already taken a year off and I'm anxious to get the ball rolling on law school. I was considering going to Pepperdine for a year and then trying to transfer into UT (I used to work for the former UT chancellor/law school dean and he said he'd help me). I know I've gotten into a couple of "better" schools than Pepperdine, but I've just heard such great things about that school, the QOL, the profs, etc. ALL of the former students I've talked to had nothing but wonderful things to say and they seemed to genuinely enjoy law school.
Why not go to George Mason?