Teoeo wrote:Your original position: Students at American have "no chance"
My actual position:
vanwinkle wrote:Someone interested in working for the DOJ needs to go to a much better school than American to have a chance at that.
Is this true? Yes.
Why? Because they could
end up with zero chance at American, ITE. And I elaborate on this point below. Note that it doesn't
say NOBODY FROM AMERICAN HAS EVER HAD A CHANCE AT DOJ EVER EVER. What I did say was this:
vanwinkle wrote:The entire T14 is full of kids wanting to work for the DOJ, folks at American don't stand a chance.
I elaborated on this below, but it's about the current
state of things. ITE there are tons of T14 kids shooting for the DOJ now. Do I expect American grads to get pwned by this? Yes.
Does this mean people who went to American in the past never
had a chance at American? No.
When you brought up your friend who got a job at the DOJ, I never said it was impossible for him to have gotten it. I did
say he must have been one a few to overcome extremely rare odds, odds so rare that ITE they might
foreclosed by a flood of T14 kids, which I still don't believe American kids stand a chance against.
Teoeo wrote:Someone presented evidence to show that this very year at LEAST one American student was chosen through the DOJ honors program (see my link above)
this, I acknowledged it was possible that someone could have gotten chosen for DOJ from American if
they were at the very top of their class. Before this, I also
elaborated that my position was that American sends at most
a couple students to the DOJ every year:
vanwinkle wrote:DOJ Honors is incredibly competitive, and even at the T14 you have to do well to be considered for it. I'm not denying there's a chance, but it's so small that it doesn't justify going there. You can get to the DOJ from American, but you shouldn't go to American to get to the DOJ.
Low past placement, which might (and might not, but might) turn into no placement at all ITE. From the beginning I was willing to clarify that was what I meant. It could happen, but the odds are ridiculously low, and some years (especially these
years, ITE) it might not happen at all.
And, again, I said all that before
you "presented evidence" that the DOJ had hired someone from American. That didn't change how I feel about anything, unlike what you're implying.
Teoeo wrote:Your new position: Student at American have a very small chance.
How is this my new position? Look, this is what I actually said:
vanwinkle wrote:Even if you did end up at the top of your class, it's possible you still wouldn't get it, especially ITE, which is prompting more and more top kids at top schools to flee to the job safety and decent pay of federal government jobs. It's entirely possible the DOJ might hire 0 folks from American next year even if they hired a couple last year. You can't say the odds of getting into the DOJ are at least 1/485 because that implies a guarantee they'll take even one, and unless you work for the DOJ and do their hiring, you can't do that. You have to consider the possibility that in any given year it could be 0/485, or in other words, zero chance that year.
It's possible ITE that zero
kids will get hired by the DOJ from American next year, even if they have in the past. That's consistent with what I said earlier, about American hiring at most
a couple kids, and possibly none at all.
Does this mean that (as I originally said) someone should go to a higher-ranked school if they want a chance at the DOJ
So, my original position: Someone who wants a chance at the DOJ should go elsewhere (because they might not get any chance from American ITE).
My "new" position: Someone who wants a chance at the DOJ should go elsewhere, because they might have no chance at American ITE.
How is this contradictory? It's highly pessimistic, and I'll admit to that, but when someone is talking about a decision to attend a school at a cost of $200,000, I encourage they take the most pessimistic view. Either way this is all a waste of time and doesn't help OP very much.