2011 Rankings Predictions

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2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby 1ferret! » Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:48 pm

So, bout ten days and ten hours till the new USNews rankings are officially published. Any predictions on movement of your favorites?
Will USNews follow "The Loyola Strategy" and make Yale a #1* with Harvard holding the #1 spot?
Will Davis continue to slap Hastings?
Will the UC schools as a whole suffer from the budget cuts?
Will Pepperdine move to #52?
Will Cooley overtake anyone, ever?

Your predictions here...

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby 1ferret! » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:10 pm

first two fake rankings ploy, third was questions on when they actually came out etc...just trying to have some flaming fun on a sunday guy...sheesh

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby erniesto » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:14 pm

T-14 will be the same. T30 will largely be the same.

T30-100 rankings will be largely irrelevant as usual.

I don't see anything cool or exciting happening with the rankings until Irvine is ranked or their fundamental factors change.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby rayiner » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:15 pm

erniesto wrote:T-14 will be the same. T30 will largely be the same.

T30-100 rankings will be largely irrelevant as usual.

I don't see anything cool or exciting happening with the rankings until Irvine is ranked or their fundamental factors change.


+1

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby erniesto » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:18 pm

By "same", I mean small inter tier movements may occur, but won't mean anything significant, and are likely to revert in the next year(s).

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby showNprove » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:32 pm

erniesto wrote:T-14 will be the same. T30 will largely be the same.

T30-100 rankings will be largely irrelevant as usual.

I don't see anything cool or exciting happening with the rankings until Irvine is ranked or their fundamental factors change.

Relative to past years, there's actually a high likelihood that the T14 won't be the same.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby underachiever » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:35 pm

showNprove wrote:
erniesto wrote:T-14 will be the same. T30 will largely be the same.

T30-100 rankings will be largely irrelevant as usual.

I don't see anything cool or exciting happening with the rankings until Irvine is ranked or their fundamental factors change.

Relative to past years, there's actually a high likelihood that the T14 won't be the same.


What do you think will change in the T14?

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby dakatz » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:36 pm

showNprove wrote:
erniesto wrote:T-14 will be the same. T30 will largely be the same.

T30-100 rankings will be largely irrelevant as usual.

I don't see anything cool or exciting happening with the rankings until Irvine is ranked or their fundamental factors change.

Relative to past years, there's actually a high likelihood that the T14 won't be the same.


I really doubt the T-14 is changing.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby showNprove » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:42 pm

underachiever wrote:
showNprove wrote:
erniesto wrote:T-14 will be the same. T30 will largely be the same.

T30-100 rankings will be largely irrelevant as usual.

I don't see anything cool or exciting happening with the rankings until Irvine is ranked or their fundamental factors change.

Relative to past years, there's actually a high likelihood that the T14 won't be the same.


What do you think will change in the T14?

Both Texas and UCLA were only 1 point behind Georgetown in the USNWR rankings this past year. Since this year's rankings will use the class statistics from the people who were admitted last year--i.e., before the announcement of the change in the USNWR formula to include PT stats, and thus before Georgetown could alter its admissions policies to use higher standards--it's entirely possible that Georgetown will not be able to make up the ground it lost yet (unless it fudges its expenditures numbers, or something else). Considering Texas raised its median GPA a lot, it could very well make up that one point (or more) and tie Georgetown for 14 (or surpass them).


Edited to point out: the reason Texas and UCLA were only 1 point behind Georgetown is precisely because USNWR changed its formula, without notice, to include PT stats. The gap used to be much larger. That is the reason GWU fell so far, and it's why GULC almost fell into a tie with Texas/UCLA. Since Georgetown hasn't had time to correct for the change yet, Texas/UCLA has a shot to tie, since they made gains in their class statistics (relative to GULC) from two cycles ago to the last.
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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby erniesto » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:42 pm

showNprove wrote:
erniesto wrote:T-14 will be the same. T30 will largely be the same.

T30-100 rankings will be largely irrelevant as usual.

I don't see anything cool or exciting happening with the rankings until Irvine is ranked or their fundamental factors change.

Relative to past years, there's actually a high likelihood that the T14 won't be the same.


I don't think the recession has affected admissions that much. In the past decade or so the T14 has been relatively stable with
Y
H/S
C/C/N
B/P/M/V
D/NW/Cornell with Georgetown rounding out 14.

Occasionally one peaks into another ranking only to drop back soon after and every so often a school will rise into the next bracket and stay there, but movement is usually minimal.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby Shot007 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:43 pm

The T14 is not going to change.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby showNprove » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:44 pm

erniesto wrote:I don't think the recession has affected admissions that much.

My speculation has nothing to do with the economy lol

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby erniesto » Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:47 pm

showNprove wrote:
erniesto wrote:I don't think the recession has affected admissions that much.

My speculation has nothing to do with the economy lol


Pure speculation then? I was trying to give some credit, abeit wild, to it. :lol:

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby stilltheoriginal » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:31 pm

What I want to know is - where are UC-Irvine and Drexel going to be?

For those of us taking a gamble and accepting a place in one of those schools, it really does matter.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby de5igual » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:00 am

erniesto wrote:
showNprove wrote:
erniesto wrote:I don't think the recession has affected admissions that much.

My speculation has nothing to do with the economy lol


Pure speculation then? I was trying to give some credit, abeit wild, to it. :lol:


he actually has a basis for his speculation

showNprove wrote:Both Texas and UCLA were only 1 point behind Georgetown in the USNWR rankings this past year. Since this year's rankings will use the class statistics from the people who were admitted last year--i.e., before the announcement of the change in the USNWR formula to include PT stats, and thus before Georgetown could alter its admissions policies to use higher standards--it's entirely possible that Georgetown will not be able to make up the ground it lost yet (unless it fudges its expenditures numbers, or something else). Considering Texas raised its median GPA a lot, it could very well make up that one point (or more) and tie Georgetown for 14 (or surpass them).


Edited to point out: the reason Texas and UCLA were only 1 point behind Georgetown is precisely because USNWR changed its formula, without notice, to include PT stats. The gap used to be much larger. That is the reason GWU fell so far, and it's why GULC almost fell into a tie with Texas/UCLA. Since Georgetown hasn't had time to correct for the change yet, Texas/UCLA has a shot to tie, since they made gains in their class statistics (relative to GULC) from two cycles ago to the last.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby erniesto » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:30 am

GTown upped its PT standards accordingly this year.

University of Texas and UCLA have each gotten bad press. I'm not sure why anyone would expect Georgetown to allow itself to fall out of the T-14 from controllable selectivity alone.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby GeePee » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:34 am

The rankings are essentially on a 1 year delay. So, the rankings to be published reflect class of 2012 data for student quality metrics and i believe class of 2009 employment data, although I'm not sure if the 9 month employment rate has been reported yet so it might still be 2008.

This year's adjustments might make a difference, but it will be in the 2012 rankings, not 2011.

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Re: 2011 Rankings Predictions

Postby erniesto » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:36 am

GeePee wrote:The rankings are essentially on a 1 year delay. So, the rankings to be published reflect class of 2012 data for student quality metrics and i believe class of 2009 employment data, although I'm not sure if the 9 month employment rate has been reported yet so it might still be 2008.

This year's adjustments might make a difference, but it will be in the 2012 rankings, not 2011.


Failed to consider this. I still doubt any shift will occur.




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