UNC ($$) Vs. Fordham ($) Vs. BU ($) -- Thanks!

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Which should I choose?

UNC (8k tuition+ very low COL)
22
52%
Fordham (40k tuition+ very high COL)
8
19%
BU (30k tuition + high COL)
12
29%
 
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UNC ($$) Vs. Fordham ($) Vs. BU ($) -- Thanks!

Postby dispatch » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:29 pm

I'm pretty sure I've narrowed my options down to these three. I have to decide by April 5. Here's some background info:

UNC - In-state + half scholarship = about 8k a year (and dirt-cheap COL)
Fordham - 5k grant, negotiation attempts have been useless = 40k a year plus NYC COL
BU - 10k scholarship = 30k a year plus Boston COL

- I'm not sure what sort of law I'd like to practice, but I'd take a biglaw gig in a heartbeat if it were offered to me. However, I know it's not all that likely from any of these schools. Govt/PI jobs also appeal to me.
- I'd like to end up in NYC after I graduate, but..
- I'm terrified of taking on 150k+ debt
- I've visited all 3 schools and I've liked them all, despite all 3 having not-so-nice facilities

Any suggestions? Think I manage to find a job in New York coming out of UNC / is the extra cost of Fordham worth it here?

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Re: UNC ($$) Vs. Fordham ($) Vs. BU ($) -- Thanks!

Postby jakeoooh » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:50 pm

I'd personally take UNC over the other two, but I plan on definitely staying in NC to practice. If you're dead-set on NY obviously it becomes a tougher choice. It looks like UNC does place some people each year into the city, and in my opinion a Fordham JD isn't worth $150k more than a UNC JD.

I think it's hard to go wrong with how cheap UNC is (especially given your in-state status and scholly). Worst case scenario, if you can't work in NY directly after graduation, you can do a few years in Raleigh or Charlotte, and then try to lateral to NY. Given that you're in-state, and you're considering UNC, I'd guess that you don't HATE the state even if you'd prefer to work elsewhere.

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Postby dispatch » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:14 pm

Yeah, I went to UNC for undergrad and I love Chapel Hill. It definitely would be really hard to pass up on saving all that money... The only thing stopping me from sending in my deposit today is worrying that with 7 years of school at UNC, out-of-state employers won't believe me when I say I want to move there.

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Postby jakeoooh » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:33 pm

Yeah, that does seem like a pretty valid consideration... Still seems like a gamble that may be worth making given the amount of money you'll save going to UNC. While some employers MAY question your dedication to moving out of state, I'd assume that most NYC firms consider themselves to sit at the pinnacle of the legal world. To quote John Lennon, "if I lived in Roman times I'd live in Rome- where else? Today America is the Roman Empire and New York is Rome itself." Whether you agree with the sentiment or not, I'd imagine most NYC employers probably do; they probably assume everyone wants to work there, background or previous living experience be damned.

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Postby keg411 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:38 pm

You're right that with UNC undergrad and UNC law, you wouldn't be leaving the state. However, is it really worth going 120k in debt (BU) or 200k in debt (Fordham) for a dream of NYC? I would stay in state if I were you... BUT if I were going to take the gamble and massive debt, I'd pick BU over Fordham.

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Postby gmichaelbluth » Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:43 pm

You can go to New York from UNC, even if you've never lived there. There are graduates who have done it. You would need to do well, for sure, and if you can find a PI job there your 1L summer there, that will help a lot to make contacts and show that you're serious with your interest. If you're not tied to biglaw, you have a better shot. And with such minimal debt coming out of UNC, you won't have to be tied to big law:).

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Postby dispatch » Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:02 pm

Thanks for the replies. I've tried finding statistics on how many UNC grads leave the state (and the southeast) but all I've found is the stuff on LSAC from 2006. Anyone know where you can find stats on this? Anybody going to their own state school with the intention of leaving the state?

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Postby jss1100 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:53 pm

UNC-CH
Class of 2007 Graduates
Total graduates 236
Graduates employed at graduation 71.2%
Graduates known to be employed nine months after graduation 98.0%
Starting Salaries of 2007 Graduates Employed Full-time
25th percentile private sector starting salary $65,000
Median private sector starting salary $115,000
75th percentile private sector starting salary $135,000
Percent in the private sector who reported salary information 73%
Median public service starting salary $43,500
Areas of Legal Practice (Class of 2007)
Percent employed in academia 3.0%
Percent employed in business and industry 9.0%
Percent employed in government 8.0%
Percent employed in all judicial clerkships 8.0%
Percent employed in law firms 63.0%
Percent employed in public interest 6.0%
Percent employed in an unknown field 3.0%
Percent employed in a judicial clerkship by an Article III federal judge 1.8%
2007 Graduates Employment Location
Graduates employed in-state 61%
Graduates employed in foreign countries 0%
Number of states where graduates are employed 24
New England (CT, ME, MA, NH, RI, VT) 3.0%
Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA) 5.5%
East North Central (IL, IN, MI, OH, WI) 3.0%
West North Central (IA, KS, MN, MO, NE, ND, SD) 1.0%
South Atlantic (DE, DC, FL, GA, MD, NC, SC, VA, WV) 81.0%
East South Central (AL, KY, MS, TN) 0.5%
West South Central (AR, LA, OK, TX) 1.0%
Pacific (AK, CA, HI, OR, WA) 2.0%
Mountain (AZ, CO, ID, MT, NV, NM, UT, WY) 0.5%
Employment location unknown 2.0%

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Re: UNC ($$) Vs. Fordham ($) Vs. BU ($) -- Thanks!

Postby romothesavior » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:56 pm

The fact that 3 years at UNC will be less than 1 year at the other schools, this is a no brainer. I'd say give up on the NYC dream, go to UNC, and stay in UNC.

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Postby dispatch » Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:59 pm

Thanks a lot for the stat, jss.

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Postby fish35 » Thu May 06, 2010 9:57 pm

Although you want a big law job and want to work in NYC I voted UNC.

First it is cheaper.
Second, if you do well in your class and find good intern/externships you could still have an opportunity to get a job in NYC, you will just have to do a lot more leg work and try to build some strong networks during your time as a student.
Third, although Fordham places well in NYC if you want a good job you still have to be at the top of your class, so save the money and try to be at the top of you class at UNC and you could still land a big law job in NYC, but it will be difficult.
Finally, just because you spent your time in school does not mean you will not be willing to move to another for a good job, all employers know that.

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Re: UNC ($$) Vs. Fordham ($) Vs. BU ($) -- Thanks!

Postby Blindmelon » Thu May 06, 2010 10:02 pm

BU seems like the compromise here -

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Postby dispatch » Thu May 06, 2010 10:18 pm

Thanks for the help guys. I ended up going with UNC.

I really liked BU when I visited, but I couldn't rationalize the extra cost.

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Postby Blindmelon » Thu May 06, 2010 10:30 pm

dispatch wrote:Thanks for the help guys. I ended up going with UNC.

I really liked BU when I visited, but I couldn't rationalize the extra cost.


Makes sense. If you're ok with working in NC, then UNC is a really great option.

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Postby dispatch » Thu May 06, 2010 10:36 pm

Blindmelon wrote:
dispatch wrote:Thanks for the help guys. I ended up going with UNC.

I really liked BU when I visited, but I couldn't rationalize the extra cost.


Makes sense. If you're ok with working in NC, then UNC is a really great option.



Yeah, I'm gonna try and hustle my way into a job in NYC, but NC is a good backup.

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Postby Informative » Fri May 07, 2010 12:59 pm

I would take UNC. Keep your debt down and your grades up and you'll come out with a pretty sweet set-up.

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Re: UNC ($$) Vs. Fordham ($) Vs. BU ($) -- Thanks!

Postby JCougar » Fri May 07, 2010 6:23 pm

This is one of the rare cases where I'd say the extra debt of BU is worth it -- but it's still a close call. BU places better than its ranking, and Boston is a cool city which somewhat mitigates its higher COL. Plus, UNC places a bit worse than its ranking.

But that all depends on how badly you want big-city biglaw. If you're fine working in North Carolina, stay there.




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