Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

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Arizona ($$) v. Arizona State ($)

Arizona ($$)
44
80%
Arizona State ($)
11
20%
 
Total votes: 55

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Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:40 pm

Hey guys.

I'm interested in P.I. or Human Rights work, and would love to score a judicial clerkship. I received $24,000 total from Arizona and $10,000 from ASU. Location doesn't matter much to me- I live in Phoenix, but don't mind Tucson. I know both are regional schools, but of the two, I want the most portability (ideally CA). There is still a marginal chance that I could get into UC Davis, but for the sake of this poll I'm excluding it!

Where should I go?!?! Thanks :D

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby msbeautifulbasham » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:42 pm

Are those numbers for in-state tuition or OOS tuition?

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:43 pm

msbeautifulbasham wrote:Are those numbers for in-state tuition or OOS tuition?


In-state and total 3 year amounts!

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby sluguy14 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:50 pm

The common thought on these forums seems to be that Arizona and Arizona State are largely interchangeable, with maybe a slight edge given to Arizona in terms of prestige and portability. And since Arizona is giving you more money, I'd say the choice is pretty clear.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby quickquestionthanks » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:53 pm

I would go to Arizona. I didn't even apply, bc I don't like Tucson. But I have to imagine it is more respected in an academic/scholarly realm. The students have an edge LSAT wise, so it's possible that competition will be more fierce. The other drawback is ASU seems to be on the move up, and perhaps U of A on the way down. But I don't think that changes the outlook in the short run for clerkships.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:54 pm

sluguy14 wrote:The common thought on these forums seems to be that Arizona and Arizona State are largely interchangeable, with maybe a slight edge given to Arizona in terms of prestige and portability. And since Arizona is giving you more money, I'd say the choice is pretty clear.


Thanks! I agree it's also pretty clear, but I psyched myself out a bit...it's definitely looking like Arizona. :D

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 12:58 pm

quickquestionthanks wrote:I would go to Arizona. I didn't even apply, bc I don't like Tucson. But I have to imagine it is more respected in an academic/scholarly realm. The students have an edge LSAT wise, so it's possible that competition will be more fierce. The other drawback is ASU seems to be on the move up, and perhaps U of A on the way down. But I don't think that changes the outlook in the short run for clerkships.


Yeah, ASU's steady progression is what is making me a bit hesitant. I want those U.S. News rankings. I know it's marginal, but if UofA seems to be moving down, while ASU is moving up, I'd be a bit concerned. I'd rather be in an up and coming than at a fallen school.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby quickquestionthanks » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:46 pm

cLams wrote:
quickquestionthanks wrote:I would go to Arizona. I didn't even apply, bc I don't like Tucson. But I have to imagine it is more respected in an academic/scholarly realm. The students have an edge LSAT wise, so it's possible that competition will be more fierce. The other drawback is ASU seems to be on the move up, and perhaps U of A on the way down. But I don't think that changes the outlook in the short run for clerkships.


Yeah, ASU's steady progression is what is making me a bit hesitant. I want those U.S. News rankings. I know it's marginal, but if UofA seems to be moving down, while ASU is moving up, I'd be a bit concerned. I'd rather be in an up and coming than at a fallen school.



:mrgreen: I almost suggested you wait for the '11 rankings to come out before deciding, but then decided that it would be sad sad sad to say that. But it's not a minor point...in addition to you getting a higher offer at U of A, I've seen a number of people on these boards get into U of A and out of ASU.

Check this out: (Arizona top, ASU bottom)


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It appears that there is a very concerted effort on the part of ASU to one up U of A this year in terms of medians. There is a big gap between admits and rejects, like they're not exactly sure where their border will end up.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby RVP11 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:55 pm

You don't mind living in Tucson, UofA gave you more money, UofA is the marginally better school, and UofA places better in California.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby RVP11 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:56 pm

cLams wrote:
quickquestionthanks wrote:I would go to Arizona. I didn't even apply, bc I don't like Tucson. But I have to imagine it is more respected in an academic/scholarly realm. The students have an edge LSAT wise, so it's possible that competition will be more fierce. The other drawback is ASU seems to be on the move up, and perhaps U of A on the way down. But I don't think that changes the outlook in the short run for clerkships.


Yeah, ASU's steady progression is what is making me a bit hesitant. I want those U.S. News rankings. I know it's marginal, but if UofA seems to be moving down, while ASU is moving up, I'd be a bit concerned. I'd rather be in an up and coming than at a fallen school.


USN trends shouldn't affect your decisionmaking because they don't affect employers' short term preferences.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby msbeautifulbasham » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:00 pm

I'd say Arizona on this one, too. I have been researching this a lot, as ASU and U of A are my top choices, and it seems for your situation U of A is the right choice. From what I've learned, U of A places better for judicial clerkships and it travels better to CA. Plus, that is a great scholarship you have there. Everyone at U of A is great, and I think you will love it. If I had this situation, I'd go U of A. However, my situation is completely different, so I'm still stuck on this tough decision between the two...

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby Charles Barkley » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:00 pm

I got into U of A (with money), rejected at ASU :oops:

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby msbeautifulbasham » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:02 pm

Charles Barkley wrote:I got into U of A (with money), rejected at ASU :oops:

From what I have read, my experience, and the experiences of my friends, it actually seems like UA was the easier one to get into/ get money from.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby Charles Barkley » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:04 pm

I also got into Bama, but rejected at ASU :oops:

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby quickquestionthanks » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:11 pm

msbeautifulbasham wrote:
Charles Barkley wrote:I got into U of A (with money), rejected at ASU :oops:

From what I have read, my experience, and the experiences of my friends, it actually seems like UA was the easier one to get into/ get money from.


Even with higher median LSAT, U of A had a higher acceptance rate. I have to imagine that is due to the "big city" draw of Phoenix as opposed to the armpit stench of Tucson. But still, you would think that an individual would have a better chance at ASU...unless of course they're up to something. (please be up to letting me in...)

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:17 pm

JSUVA2012 wrote:
cLams wrote:
quickquestionthanks wrote:I would go to Arizona. I didn't even apply, bc I don't like Tucson. But I have to imagine it is more respected in an academic/scholarly realm. The students have an edge LSAT wise, so it's possible that competition will be more fierce. The other drawback is ASU seems to be on the move up, and perhaps U of A on the way down. But I don't think that changes the outlook in the short run for clerkships.


Yeah, ASU's steady progression is what is making me a bit hesitant. I want those U.S. News rankings. I know it's marginal, but if UofA seems to be moving down, while ASU is moving up, I'd be a bit concerned. I'd rather be in an up and coming than at a fallen school.


USN trends shouldn't affect your decisionmaking because they don't affect employers' short term preferences.


You're right. I need to stop thinking about those damn rankings! I just found the judicial clerkship stats on both schools, and that alone may have reconvinced me to go to UA.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:20 pm

Charles Barkley wrote:I got into U of A (with money), rejected at ASU :oops:


Is UA still a contender for you?

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:21 pm

quickquestionthanks wrote:
msbeautifulbasham wrote:
Charles Barkley wrote:I got into U of A (with money), rejected at ASU :oops:

From what I have read, my experience, and the experiences of my friends, it actually seems like UA was the easier one to get into/ get money from.


Even with higher median LSAT, U of A had a higher acceptance rate. I have to imagine that is due to the "big city" draw of Phoenix as opposed to the armpit stench of Tucson. But still, you would think that an individual would have a better chance at ASU...unless of course they're up to something. (please be up to letting me in...)


I'd be curious to see how many in-state applicants both schools take? I'm sure that would affect their selectivity. I've heard somewhere that UA is around 65% in-state, including those who have a strong affiliation with AZ.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby darknightbegins » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:51 pm

Chicks at ASU are hotter. Other than that I doubt there is any real difference. Go to which ever one saves you the most money.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:54 pm

darknightbegins wrote:Chicks at ASU are hotter. Other than that I doubt there is any real difference. Go to which ever one saves you the most money.


Haha, thankfully I don't like chicks! I can attest for the attractive girls at ASU though. It's insane.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby Burgstaller04 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:57 pm

cLams wrote:
darknightbegins wrote:Chicks at ASU are hotter. Other than that I doubt there is any real difference. Go to which ever one saves you the most money.


Haha, thankfully I don't like chicks! I can attest for the attractive girls at ASU though. It's insane.


only been there once, but +1

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby quickquestionthanks » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:58 pm

cLams wrote:
darknightbegins wrote:Chicks at ASU are hotter. Other than that I doubt there is any real difference. Go to which ever one saves you the most money.


Haha, thankfully I don't like chicks! I can attest for the attractive girls at ASU though. It's insane.


I gotta jump in on this. U of A chicks are just as hot, and are more likely to be interested in a law student. ASU chicks like dudes with barbed wire tattoos. Wildcats are just a tad brighter, and a tad less shallow.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby cLams » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:06 pm

quickquestionthanks wrote:
cLams wrote:
darknightbegins wrote:Chicks at ASU are hotter. Other than that I doubt there is any real difference. Go to which ever one saves you the most money.


Haha, thankfully I don't like chicks! I can attest for the attractive girls at ASU though. It's insane.


I gotta jump in on this. U of A chicks are just as hot, and are more likely to be interested in a law student. ASU chicks like dudes with barbed wire tattoos. Wildcats are just a tad brighter, and a tad less shallow.


I also think UA girls are hotter, but it depends what you dig I guess. To broadly sterotype, UA Girls: Tall, at least semi-intelligent brunettes with attractive faces and nice bodies. ASU girls: petite, tan, bleach blondes, with faces that become less attractive as you get closer. Again, just a MAJOR stereotype. There are plenty of intelligent, non-fake beauties at ASU as well, but you are more likely to find the former.

I'm an ASU undergrad, so I'm not just school-bashing. :D

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby quickquestionthanks » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:13 pm

cLams wrote:UA Girls: Tall, at least semi-intelligent brunettes with attractive faces and nice bodies. ASU girls: petite, tan, bleach blondes, with faces that become less attractive as you get closer.



Dead on. I'm glad I didn't offend your sensibilities.

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Re: Help me choose!!!! Arizona v. Arizona State

Postby Charles Barkley » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:56 pm

Clams, yes, UofA is still a contender for me. I'm visiting next week.




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