Where to choose for academic career

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Tifoso
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Where to choose for academic career

Postby Tifoso » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:39 am

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jonas
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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby jonas » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:16 pm

What about UChicago JD, then Oxford MPhil/DPhil?

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby bloodonthetracks » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:17 pm

an M.Phil, even from oxford, is a relatively minor degree compared to a JD/Ph.D

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby thickfreakness » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:37 pm

Chicago. Awesome faculty and the birthplace of Law & Economics. You could make some powerful faculty connections there.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby lawduder » Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:53 pm

That's amazing that Northwestern dumped so much money on you? You'd be crazy not to take it!

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby danquayle » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:07 pm

lawduder wrote:That's amazing that Northwestern dumped so much money on you? You'd be crazy not to take it!


Yeah, almost doesn't seem legit. How could this even be a question? Is Chicago a bit better than Northwestern? Yeah? But I'd take 10k at Northwestern over sticker at Chicago, let alone A FULL RIDE.

Plus, you're into their ph.d program. Thats a nice bonus too. You're not going to be at ANY disadvantage at Northwestern.

Especially for academia... getting a JD from a top school is no guarantee for a law professor job. But with a JD and a ph.d, I'd think at the very least you'd get into a professor position somewhere in some capacity.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby FlightoftheEarls » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:24 pm

danquayle wrote:
lawduder wrote:That's amazing that Northwestern dumped so much money on you? You'd be crazy not to take it!


Yeah, almost doesn't seem legit. How could this even be a question? Is Chicago a bit better than Northwestern? Yeah? But I'd take 10k at Northwestern over sticker at Chicago, let alone A FULL RIDE.

Plus, you're into their ph.d program. Thats a nice bonus too. You're not going to be at ANY disadvantage at Northwestern.

Especially for academia... getting a JD from a top school is no guarantee for a law professor job. But with a JD and a ph.d, I'd think at the very least you'd get into a professor position somewhere in some capacity.

I'm pretty certain that Northwestern has created this program for the very purpose of getting more of their graduates into academia, so they will likely be working very hard to place you once you're done. I think this option would be by far the most attractive to me.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby 270910 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:26 pm

danquayle wrote:Especially for academia... getting a JD from a top school is no guarantee for a law professor job. But with a JD and a ph.d, I'd think at the very least you'd get into a professor position somewhere in some capacity.


Not even close. Competition for professor posts is insane, and LOTS of PhDs can't get anything in their field of choice.

JD + PhD is a strong credential for getting a teaching job, but without significant scholarly work during those degrees and absolutely amazing legal credentials to seek a law professor gig, you won't have a shot.

Go for it and good luck, but keep in mind that the odds are stacked against you six ways from Sunday if you go to Yale, and like 10x that much if you don't.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby rayiner » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:39 pm

danquayle wrote:
lawduder wrote:That's amazing that Northwestern dumped so much money on you? You'd be crazy not to take it!


Yeah, almost doesn't seem legit. How could this even be a question? Is Chicago a bit better than Northwestern? Yeah? But I'd take 10k at Northwestern over sticker at Chicago, let alone A FULL RIDE.

Plus, you're into their ph.d program. Thats a nice bonus too. You're not going to be at ANY disadvantage at Northwestern.

Especially for academia... getting a JD from a top school is no guarantee for a law professor job. But with a JD and a ph.d, I'd think at the very least you'd get into a professor position somewhere in some capacity.


The JD/PhD is Northwestern's attempt to improve their academic placement. Full tuition + stipend for the whole 6 years it takes it expensive for them, but they only hand a few of these out ever year, and stipulate that the graduate *must* look for a tenure-track teaching position for four years after graduation.

I dunno, in your shoes I'd take Northwestern's offer. Chicago will have much better overall placement into academia, but even from there the odds are slight. And the PhD from NU will help close the gap, not to mention the fact that as one of an small group of "academic track" students at the university, you're likely to get much closer contact with the professors and more opportunities to publish, which matters a huge amount.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby nealric » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:36 pm

With all that money being thrown at you, IMO you would be crazy to turn down Northwestern.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby Mattalones » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:05 pm

Tifoso wrote:I'm interested in teaching jurisprudence and political theory type stuff at a law school. Here are my options:

- U Chicago Law @ sticker
- Columbia Law @ sticker
- Michigan Law @ sticker
- NYU Law @ sticker
- Northwestern J.D/PhD - full ride plus 22K/annual living stipend, medical insurance, and additional summer funding available
- Oxford for the political theory M.Phil in the department of politics (partial tuition scholarship).


I'm leaning towards Northwestern because of the financial considerations and because I have a preference for Chicago, but having some second thoughts about Oxford, because I saw Harry Potter on TV and I want to go to Hogwarts where the people speak with that lovely accent. Any advice?

Adding the PhD changes things a lot. Having that and your JD will help you get academic stuff even more than having a T3 JD alone.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby dakatz » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:08 pm

OMG dude, you would be INSANE to turn down Northwestern's offer. I mean, usually when people put these polls, there is some sort of dilemma or condition that makes it tough to pick. But this is the easiest one ever. NW in a heartbeat.

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby Oblomov » Sat Mar 20, 2010 5:20 pm

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Re: Where to choose for academic career

Postby Tifoso » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:09 am

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