Why top 14?

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Why top 14?

Postby Adrian_8am » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:45 pm

Probably a stupid question.... But I learned through this website thatvit would be ideal to matriculate at top 14... Why is it 14, not 15 or 20?... Luckily I will attend Cornell ... Also since Cornell is 13, could it slip to 15 in the forseable future?

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:45 pm

Adrian_8am wrote:Probably a stupid question.... But I learned through this website thatvit would be ideal to matriculate at top 14... Why is it 14, not 15 or 20?... Luckily I will attend Cornell ... Also since Cornell is 13, could it slip to 15 in the forseable future?


It is actually T13 now.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby rayiner » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:47 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Adrian_8am wrote:Probably a stupid question.... But I learned through this website thatvit would be ideal to matriculate at top 14... Why is it 14, not 15 or 20?... Luckily I will attend Cornell ... Also since Cornell is 13, could it slip to 15 in the forseable future?


It is actually T13 now.


I've always been a fan of T12.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby dakatz » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:47 pm

Yup, its T13 now.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby Adrian_8am » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:51 pm

But who decides on the number though

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:52 pm

Adrian_8am wrote:But who decides on the number though


Consensus.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby Z3RO » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:52 pm

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Hi guys! I just got into Chicago! I'm so excited to attend a school ranked 4th out of the whole T14!

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:53 pm

Z3RO wrote:Image

Hi guys! I just got into Chicago! I'm so excited to attend a school ranked 4th out of the whole T14!


Fifth in the T13.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby Z3RO » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:54 pm

Adrian_8am wrote:But who decides on the number though

It's because those 14 schools have always been in the top 14. If one of them were to drop a rank (Georgetown), then it would be the T13 and Cornell would look nervous.

Every other school has, at some point, been ranked below 14 (in fact, they always were).
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Re: Why top 14?

Postby stratocophic » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:54 pm

Adrian_8am wrote:But who decides on the number though

The biglaw firms that take a much higher percentage of grads from the T13 than the rest of the TTT20 schools

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby miamiman » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:54 pm

Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:55 pm

miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


Some asshole has been pushing it to troll Gtown for the Lulz.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby stratocophic » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:57 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


Some asshole has been pushing it to troll Gtown for the Lulz.

Srsly what a douche

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby dakatz » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:57 pm

miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


'cuz G-town is an oversized and inefficient diploma mill? Plus its funny...

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby 09042014 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:00 pm

dakatz wrote:
miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


'cuz G-town is an oversized and inefficient diploma mill? Plus its funny...


It's also not untrue. Gtown is a step down from MBVPDNC and is close to Vandy, USC, UCLA, UT.

If Cornell employment numbers keep dropping as fast as their students are dropping off gorges it will be T12 soon.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby miamiman » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:02 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
dakatz wrote:
miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


'cuz G-town is an oversized and inefficient diploma mill? Plus its funny...


It's also not untrue. Gtown is a step down from MBVPDNC and is close to Vandy, USC, UCLA, UT.

If Cornell employment numbers keep dropping as fast as their students are dropping off gorges it will be T12 soon.


Too soon.


And, also, id take vandy over cornell 7 days a week.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby rayiner » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:06 pm

http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2007/ ... ement.html

The gap between the lowest T14 (GULC) and the highest non-T14 (BC) on that list is roughly a factor of 2. That is by far the largest relative gap between any adjacent schools on that list.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby holydonkey » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:13 pm

Adrian_8am wrote:Luckily I will attend Cornell...

Don't think I've ever seen this before in my entire life.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby Torvon » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:36 am

miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


Any kind of "t#" is rather meaningless and only used by elitist queers. The only numbers that matter are the ones that are directly applicable to your aspirations (ie clerkship, biglaw employment). The t14 thing developed because of the large gap in those numbers between the t14 and everyone else and the t13 thing is primarily used by those who really wanted HYS and didn't get it so they have to put down whatever school is right below the school that accepted them to feel more important.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby soullesswonder » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:40 am

Torvon wrote:
miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


Any kind of "t#" is rather meaningless and only used by elitist queers. The only numbers that matter are the ones that are directly applicable to your aspirations (ie clerkship, biglaw employment). The t14 thing developed because of the large gap in those numbers between the t14 and everyone else and the t13 thing is primarily used by those who really wanted HYS and didn't get it so they have to put down whatever school is right below them to feel more important.


I'm sure that if you bought a couple drinks for one of the many, many GT 2Ls who struck out at OCI this year, they'd probably get on board with the whole T13 idea.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby ravens20 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:45 am

Torvon wrote:
miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


Any kind of "t#" is rather meaningless and only used by elitist queers. The only numbers that matter are the ones that are directly applicable to your aspirations (ie clerkship, biglaw employment). The t14 thing developed because of the large gap in those numbers between the t14 and everyone else and the t13 thing is primarily used by those who really wanted HYS and didn't get it so they have to put down whatever school is right below the school that accepted them to feel more important.


+1. I find the "t13" moniker to be very annoying. I'm not going to Georgetown and never wanted to, but its part of the T14, regardless of how people on this board disparage it. The t14 schools are known as such because those are the only 14 schools to ever be in the top 10, and the only 14 schools that have ever made the top 14. Georgetown is one of them - end of story.

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Re: Why top 14?

Postby PDaddy » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:49 am

Adrian_8am wrote:Probably a stupid question.... But I learned through this website thatvit would be ideal to matriculate at top 14... Why is it 14, not 15 or 20?... Luckily I will attend Cornell ... Also since Cornell is 13, could it slip to 15 in the forseable future?


Good question. Torvon is wrong, even though what he says is theoretically true.

The T14 refers to a group of law schools that, since the inception of the USNWR rankings, have been perennially ranked in the top-14. As well, they all happen to be conveniently attached to very prestigious colleges/universities.

But there now exists a proverbial "T18" that would include UCLA, USC, Texas and Vanderbilt, because, for most or all of the recent decade, those schools have not placed outside of the top-18. Moreover, a lot of people suggest that UCLA and Vanderbilt, and to a lesser degree, Vanderbilt, could/should replace T14 schools like GULC, Cornell and Duke.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school ... the_top_14
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Re: Why top 14?

Postby CyLaw » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:49 am

ravens20 wrote:The t14 schools are known as such because those are the only 14 schools to ever be in the top 10, and the only 14 schools that have ever made the top 14.


UCLA was 14th in 1987
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Re: Why top 14?

Postby Unemployed » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:50 am

ravens20 wrote:
Torvon wrote:
miamiman wrote:Remind me again how tls converged upon t13?


Any kind of "t#" is rather meaningless and only used by elitist queers. The only numbers that matter are the ones that are directly applicable to your aspirations (ie clerkship, biglaw employment). The t14 thing developed because of the large gap in those numbers between the t14 and everyone else and the t13 thing is primarily used by those who really wanted HYS and didn't get it so they have to put down whatever school is right below the school that accepted them to feel more important.


+1. I find the "t13" moniker to be very annoying. I'm not going to Georgetown and never wanted to, but its part of the T14, regardless of how people on this board disparage it. The t14 schools are known as such because those are the only 14 schools to ever be in the top 10, and the only 14 schools that have ever made the top 14. Georgetown is one of them - end of story.


I find the whole T13 thing ridiculous as well, but your definition of T14 is a very common misconception. 2005 was the first year that Northwestern ever made it into top 10, and the term T14 definitely existed before 2005.

T14 comes from the fact that these 14 schools were always in the top 14 since the inception of the USNews rankings, with the notable exception of the inaugural year.
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Re: Why top 14?

Postby booboo » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:51 am

rayiner wrote:http://lawfirmaddict.blogspot.com/2007/03/vault-selectivity-placement.html

The gap between the lowest T14 (GULC) and the highest non-T14 (BC) on that list is roughly a factor of 2. That is by far the largest relative gap between any adjacent schools on that list.


You trickster with your 2006 data.




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