Brooklyn-31k a year

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby blsingindisguise » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:31 am

What "facts" can I provide? I can't link to a lack of professors - you're the one who should be giving me an example of all these Cardozo grad academics. I don't remember ever even running across one - I'm sure they're out there but hardly common, especially at Michigan (is there really a Cardozo grad with tenure at Michigan?)

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby bernie shmegma » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:41 am

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=111208

Here is a good poll for this thread.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby erniesto » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:44 am

When discussing future possibilities I think it might be best to use big placement stats as a general indicator of overall job possibilities (considering government is likely to hire based on prestige/alumni network as well).

I also think inverting the traditional top-law-school approach to the question "will you get big law?" paints a more realistic picture of your career prospects.

So. For instance in NYC law schools (and assuming information given is verifiable):

If you are in the bottom 50% of Columbia/NYU you will likely not get big law.
66-70% @ Fordham
80-90% @ Cardozo and Brooklyn (according to Brooklyn)
90-95%? @ St. John's
LOL @ NYLS

So to Goosey: Are you willing to increase your tuition by 31k (93k over 3 years and 128k total over the course of a 10 year payment plan) to decrease the possibility of not getting big law by ~15-20%?

Does this allow the 30 school ranking difference to be relevant?

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby OperaSoprano » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:46 am

blsingindisguise wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:My views about BLS are well known, and I won't go into them here-- I met someone whose roommate had his scholarship yanked for failure to stay in the top half.


This is standard policy at a lot of T2 schools - Cardozo has identical class rank requirements for maintaining scholarship. It's also disclosed when you enter.


Unfortunately, you're right. The only T2 that didn't offer me a scholarship with strings attached was Northeastern (for obvious reasons.) A friend at another T2 told me his school was willing to work with students in danger of losing their scholarships, and I assumed this was standard practice until I heard what BLS had done. You might argue that some scholarship money is better than none (what I have), but this is a reprehensible practice.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby erniesto » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:48 am

BTW, IMO if you're losing your scholarship at a school like Cardozo and Brooklyn you might want to reconsider if you're cut out for the legal world. Remember there is an approximate ratio of 2:1 JD graduates to legal jobs per year.

Unless you're a hot chick. Then you'll be fine.
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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby vanwinkle » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:49 am

erniesto wrote:BTW, IMO if you're losing your scholarship at a school like Cardozo and Brooklyn you might want to reconsider if you're cut out for the legal world.

Unless you're a hot chick. Then you'll be fine.

IBTB.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby blsingindisguise » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:51 am

erniesto wrote:BTW, IMO if you're losing your scholarship at a school like Cardozo and Brooklyn you might want to reconsider if you're cut out for the legal world. Remember there is an approximate ratio of 2:1 JD graduates to legal jobs per year.

Unless you're a hot chick. Then you'll be fine.


Sometimes I think T2 schools should be like top theater programs - shrink every year. Of course that's the opposite of what makes economic sense for a law school.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby lostjake » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:56 am

blsingindisguise wrote:What "facts" can I provide? I can't link to a lack of professors - you're the one who should be giving me an example of all these Cardozo grad academics. I don't remember ever even running across one - I'm sure they're out there but hardly common, especially at Michigan (is there really a Cardozo grad with tenure at Michigan?)


http://web.law.umich.edu/_FacultyBioPag ... asp?ID=323


Not sure about her Tenure, but gets your foot in the door.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby erniesto » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:01 am

lostjake wrote:
blsingindisguise wrote:What "facts" can I provide? I can't link to a lack of professors - you're the one who should be giving me an example of all these Cardozo grad academics. I don't remember ever even running across one - I'm sure they're out there but hardly common, especially at Michigan (is there really a Cardozo grad with tenure at Michigan?)


http://web.law.umich.edu/_FacultyBioPag ... asp?ID=323


Not sure about her Tenure, but gets your foot in the door.



Seems like a rockstar, and atypical. I would go out on a limb and say she probably would have gotten where she is today graduating at any number of other reputable (relatively speaking) schools. Are there any other examples of Cardozo grads making it to academia?
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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby blsingindisguise » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:03 am

Assistant = no tenure but tenure track. She does also have a Ph.D from Harvard though.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby lostjake » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:06 am

No. I will state as I have previously that Michigan is my top choice, and I have not done an extensive search of all schools. It is though generally realized that Dozo is a rising star, considering its age. As I’ve said before the poster should not go into it thinking about academia.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby blsingindisguise » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:10 am

Sure, it's a "rising star" - I see you drank the admissions kool-aid. I mean yes, it's impressive that they cracked T1. If they crack the top 30 a decade from now I'll be blown away. They'll never be anything close to T14 - those schools are all firmly entrenched and associated with top universities (as opposed to Yeshiva).

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby lostjake » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:17 am

blsingindisguise wrote:Sure, it's a "rising star" - I see you drank the admissions kool-aid. I mean yes, it's impressive that they cracked T1. If they crack the top 30 a decade from now I'll be blown away. They'll never be anything close to T14 - those schools are all firmly entrenched and associated with top universities (as opposed to Yeshiva).


As far as kool-aid you could say anyone who wants to go to law school now has drank some. From reading these forums most people who want to go are liberal arts that couldn't find other jobs ITE. I'm an engineer, and in UG there are good engineers and bad engineers, just like in any other major. Although the good ones can still find jobs. I've never really been sure why someone would ever get history degree, or other and expect to find any kind of job. Where do people get a job with a UG in History besides going into law? Or any other liberal arts degree. Thats a serious question :(

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby erniesto » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:18 am

blsingindisguise wrote:Sure, it's a "rising star" - I see you drank the admissions kool-aid. I mean yes, it's impressive that they cracked T1. If they crack the top 30 a decade from now I'll be blown away. They'll never be anything close to T14 - those schools are all firmly entrenched and associated with top universities (as opposed to Yeshiva).


Going to agree with this here. Cardozo has been hanging around the same ranking since it broke into the rankings. If it gains a ranking this year, then maybe it can be considered rising.

http://www.prelawhandbook.com/law_schoo ... 00_present

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby vanwinkle » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:19 am

lostjake wrote:It is though generally realized that Dozo is a rising star, considering its age.

No it's not.

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Re: Brooklyn-31k a year

Postby bernie shmegma » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:35 am

vanwinkle wrote:
lostjake wrote:It is though generally realized that Dozo is a rising star, considering its age.

No it's not.


Van "winkle" Jones? Is that you Pinky?




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