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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby women'ssoccer » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:52 pm

FunkyJD wrote:
women'ssoccer wrote:
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whitman wrote:Law, I would say: UVA > Duke > Vandy > Emory > UNC > UGA > W.F. > Bama

Overall: UVA > Duke > UNC > Vandy > Emory and so on

How abou that for a completely useless, subjective post that contributes nothing?


Really? Rice, which doesn't have a law school (but should), is better than Emory and GA. Tech and Tulane are arguably as good.

And sorry, I would put Baylor, Tulane and SMU with or above 'Bama and Wake, in law and overall. And Vandy > UNC.


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WFU is too low as it is; its academic reputation is >>>>>>>> than the SMU's, UGas, Baylors, AUs, and Tulane's of the world.

According to the Academic Ranking of World Universities 2009:

Georgia >> Wake ~= Tulane > SMU >> Baylor, AU (last 2 not ranked)

These are for overall institutions, if I'm not mistaken -- but correct me if I'm wrong.

And, if you look at the Baylor College of Medicine (i.e., the "overall" part of "in law and overall"), and not Baylor U., the list becomes:

Baylor College of Med ~= Georgia >> Wake ~= Tulane > SMU >> AU (not ranked)

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those rankings don't exactly measure reputation,


"The Academic Ranking of World Universities (ARWU) is first published in June 2003 by the Center for World-Class Universities and the Institute of Higher Education of Shanghai Jiao Tong University, China, and then updated on an annual basis. ARWU uses six objective indicators to rank world universities, including the number of alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals, number of highly cited researchers selected by Thomson Scientific, number of articles published in journals of Nature and Science, number of articles indexed in Science Citation Index - Expanded and Social Sciences Citation Index, and per capita performance with respect to the size of an institution. More than 1000 universities are actually ranked by ARWU every year and the best 500 are published on the web.

EDIT: Although the initial purpose of ARWU was to find the global standing of Chinese top universities, it has attracted a great deal of attention from universities, governments and public media worldwide. A survey on higher education published by The Economist in 2005 commented ARWU as "the most widely used annual ranking of the world's research universities"1. Burton Bollag, a reporter at Chronicle of Higher Education wrote that ARWU "is considered the most influential international ranking"2."


i could just as easily cite USWR 'national universities' rankings: WFU is 28 (tied with UNC)---UGa is 58.

but, there is a law school "reputation" rankings somewhere out there. Someone can find them? UNC's is like 17th. WFU is higher than UGa.
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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby jss1100 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:58 pm

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Academic reputation for the top 40 (where the evaluation might actually reflect some knowledge of the schools evaluated) (25% of the overall score):

1. Harvard University (4.8)

1. Yale University (4.8)

3. Stanford University (4.7)

4. Columbia University (4.6)

4. University of Chicago (4.6)

6. New York University (4.5)

6. University of California, Berkeley (4.5)

8. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor (4.4)

9. University of Pennsylvania (4.3)

9. University of Virginia (4.3)

11. Cornell University (4.2)

11. Duke University (4.2)

13. Georgetown University (4.1)

13. University of Texas, Austin (4.1)

15. Northwestern University (4.0)

15. University of California, Los Angeles (4.0)

17. Vanderbilt University (3.8)

18. University of Southern California (3.7)

19. Washington University, St. Louis (3.6)

20. Emory University (3.5)

20. George Washington University (3.5)

20. University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (3.5)

20. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill (3.5)

20. University of Wisconsin, Madison (3.5)

25. Boston College (3.4)

25. Boston University (3.4)

25. University of California, Davis (3.4)

25. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign (3.4)

25. University of Iowa (3.4)

25. Washington & Lee University (3.4)

31. College of William & Mary (3.3)

31. Fordham University (3.3)

31. Indiana University, Bloomington (3.3)

31. Ohio State University (3.3)

31. University of California, Hastings (3.3)

31. University of Notre Dame (3.3)

37. University of Arizona (3.2)

37. University of Washington, Seattle (3.2)

39. Tulane University (3.1)

39. University of Florida, Gainesville (3.1)

39. University of Georgia (3.1)

39. Wake Forest University (3.1)

Lawyer/Judge Reputation for the top 40 (15% of the overall score):

1. Harvard University (4.8)

1. Stanford University (4.8)

1. Yale University (4.8)

4. Columbia University (4.6)

4. University of Chicago (4.6)

4. University of Virginia (4.6)

7. New York University (4.5)

7. University of California, Berkeley (4.5)

7. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor (4.5)

10. Duke University (4.4)

10. Georgetown University (4.4)

10. University of Pennsylvania (4.4)

13. Cornell University (4.3)

13. Northwestern University (4.3)

15. University of Texas, Austin (4.2)

16. Vanderbilt University (4.1)

17. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill (3.9)

17. Washington University, St. Louis (3.9)

19. Emory University (3.8)

19. George Washington University (3.8)

19. University of California, Los Angeles (3.8)

19. University of Iowa (3.8)

19. University of Notre Dame (3.8)

19. Washington & Lee University (3.8)

25. Boston College (3.7)

25. University of California, Hastings (3.7)

25. University of Minnesota, Twin Cities (3.7)

28. Boston University (3.6)

28. College of William & Mary (3.6)

28. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign (3.6)

28. University of Southern California (3.6)

28. University of Wisconsin, Madison (3.6)

28. Wake Forest University (3.6)

34. Indiana University, Bloomington (3.5)

34. Ohio State University (3.5)

34. University of California, Davis (3.5)

34. University of Washington, Seattle (3.5)

38. Fordham University (3.4)

38. Tulane University (3.4)

40. Brigham Young University (3.3)

40. George Mason University (3.3)

40. University of Alabama (3.3)

40. University of Arizona (3.3)

40. University of Florida, Gainesville (3.3)

40. University of Georgia (3.3)

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby women'ssoccer » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:04 pm

thanks.

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby FunkyJD » Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:23 pm

This hardly confirms that Wake >>>> Georgia, Tulane in academic rep.

You could rely on the US News rankings. But as you cited: "A survey on higher education published by The Economist in 2005 commented ARWU as "the most widely used annual ranking of the world's research universities ... Burton Bollag, a reporter at Chronicle of Higher Education wrote that ARWU 'is considered the most influential international ranking' ..."

My point is, your assertion is overstated. Wake's academic rep is not >>>>> Tulane, Georgia, as you stated.

In any event, frankly, it's a bit of a masturbatory exercise, isn't it? If you want to practice in Atlanta, are you better off going to Georgia, or Wake? If you want to practice in NYC, are you better off going to Tulane, or Wake? (Neither.) If you want to practice in Houston, are you better off going to SMU, Tulane, Baylor, or Wake? How much will "academic rep" statistics make a difference in those situations?

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby PDaddy » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:07 pm

women'ssoccer wrote:
PDaddy wrote:
whitman wrote:Law, I would say: UVA > Duke > Vandy > Emory > UNC > UGA > W.F. > Bama

Overall: UVA > Duke > UNC > Vandy > Emory and so on

How abou that for a completely useless, subjective post that contributes nothing?


Really? Rice, which doesn't have a law school (but should), is better than Emory and GA. Tech and Tulane are arguably as good.

And sorry, I would put Baylor, Tulane and SMU with or above 'Bama and Wake, in law and overall. And Vandy > UNC.


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WFU is too low as it is; its academic reputation is >>>>>>>> than the SMU's, UGas, Baylors, AUs, and Tulane's of the world.


I don't disagree that Wake's academic rep is extremely strong; I am just saying that the other southern schools are at least as good. There's evidence of that.

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby whitman » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:06 pm

PDaddy wrote:
women'ssoccer wrote:
PDaddy wrote:
whitman wrote:Law, I would say: UVA > Duke > Vandy > Emory > UNC > UGA > W.F. > Bama

Overall: UVA > Duke > UNC > Vandy > Emory and so on

How abou that for a completely useless, subjective post that contributes nothing?


Really? Rice, which doesn't have a law school (but should), is better than Emory and GA. Tech and Tulane are arguably as good.

And sorry, I would put Baylor, Tulane and SMU with or above 'Bama and Wake, in law and overall. And Vandy > UNC.


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WFU is too low as it is; its academic reputation is >>>>>>>> than the SMU's, UGas, Baylors, AUs, and Tulane's of the world.


I don't disagree that Wake's academic rep is extremely strong; I am just saying that the other southern schools are at least as good. There's evidence of that.


Yeah I wasn't thinking about Rice because they don't have a law school, but they are definitely one of the most underrated schools in the nation. Also, I would not say Vandy > UNC. I suppose their undergrad recently gained a lot in the rankings and reputation, but UNC has great prestige in the south - I would say equivalent or superior. It is certainly harder to get into UNC oos than into Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt has an amazing med school, though, and a better law school, so maybe you're right. UNC has a better business school and other graduate programs I believe.

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby whitman » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:07 pm

Oh, and SMU's reputation is for having rich people, not rich minds or programs.

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby women'ssoccer » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:52 pm

FunkyJD wrote:This hardly confirms that Wake >>>> Georgia, Tulane in academic rep.

You could rely on the US News rankings. But as you cited: "A survey on higher education published by The Economist in 2005 commented ARWU as "the most widely used annual ranking of the world's research universities ... Burton Bollag, a reporter at Chronicle of Higher Education wrote that ARWU 'is considered the most influential international ranking' ..."

My point is, your assertion is overstated. Wake's academic rep is not >>>>> Tulane, Georgia, as you stated.

In any event, frankly, it's a bit of a masturbatory exercise, isn't it? If you want to practice in Atlanta, are you better off going to Georgia, or Wake? If you want to practice in NYC, are you better off going to Tulane, or Wake? (Neither.) If you want to practice in Houston, are you better off going to SMU, Tulane, Baylor, or Wake? How much will "academic rep" statistics make a difference in those situations?



i think that WFU's rep. is greater than UGa's, as I stated. i think that the rankings cited on this page corroborate that wfu has a better LS rep.. Where undergrad reputation is concerned, WFU >>UGa is a pretty easy call, imho, UG ranking: 28vs.58. (i guess that UG rep. would be where a big part of 'overr-all' rep. would come from?).


those other rankings were not a good measure for rep. "number of articles published in journals of Nature and Science" is one of the '6 objective indicators'...

"ARWU uses six objective indicators to rank world universities, including the number of alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals, number of highly cited researchers selected by Thomson Scientific, number of articles published in journals of Nature and Science, number of articles indexed in Science Citation Index - Expanded and Social Sciences Citation Index, and per capita performance with respect to the size of an institution."



but, you're correct; these LS's are regional.
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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby FunkyJD » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:57 pm

Don't get me wrong -- not trying to denigrate Wake. Wake's a fine school -- undergrad and law.

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby gwuorbust » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:02 pm

I would just like to clear up something. Just b/c only 63% or whatever reported a salary does not correlate with the amount of employment. It could easily be that a good portion just do not report their salary even tho they are employed.

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Re: UNC employment statistics

Postby FunkyJD » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:12 pm

whitman wrote:Oh, and SMU's reputation is for having rich people, not rich minds or programs.

Sheeet. As a poor-ass kid, Southern Millionaire's U. is a place I would most certainly consider, given my interest in the Dallas market.

SMU's placement in NLJ250 firms in 2009 smoked other schools with better USN rankings. Better than Minnesota, Iowa, W&M, W&L, Washington, UC-Davis. Maybe that's the value of connections over academics. Then again, how well do schools with reps for producing poor attorneys tend to place?

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... 2443758843




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