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Cornell v. GULC
It looks like it may be coming to this. What are your guys' thoughts?
They seem like schools on opposite ends of the spectrum - one is huge, one is tiny. What are the real strengths of Cornell, and what puts it ahead (slightly) of GULC in the rankings? I understand the recent shitty OCIs is the basis for the GULC hate on TLS, but what is the basis for the Cornell hate? I sort of wish I'd applied to V and M :\
They seem like schools on opposite ends of the spectrum - one is huge, one is tiny. What are the real strengths of Cornell, and what puts it ahead (slightly) of GULC in the rankings? I understand the recent shitty OCIs is the basis for the GULC hate on TLS, but what is the basis for the Cornell hate? I sort of wish I'd applied to V and M :\
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Strengths of Cornell: placement in NYC biglaw, Ivy prestige, small class size, easiest T14 to get into
Why Cornell hate: location location location (middle of nowhere and cold weather), easiest T14 to get into
Strengths of GULC: DC location, clinics, ability to intern locally, lay prestige
Why GULC hate: biglaw placement ITE, large class size, PT students with weaker numbers (T14 backdoor)
Why Cornell hate: location location location (middle of nowhere and cold weather), easiest T14 to get into
Strengths of GULC: DC location, clinics, ability to intern locally, lay prestige
Why GULC hate: biglaw placement ITE, large class size, PT students with weaker numbers (T14 backdoor)
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Where/want do you want to do?
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a bunch of the cool people from the BP thread have declared that it is now the T13 and not the T14, so i'd go with cornell.
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Err...I don't think that Cornell's OCIs went so well either. In any case, the strengths of the schools are fairly obvious: Cornell is better for NYC biglaw placement; GULC is better for DC big law placement and for PI, particularly in the federal government. GULC has slightly better national judge/lawyer ratings, but I think the two degrees are similarly mobile.johndhi wrote:It looks like it may be coming to this. What are your guys' thoughts?
They seem like schools on opposite ends of the spectrum - one is huge, one is tiny. What are the real strengths of Cornell, and what puts it ahead (slightly) of GULC in the rankings? I understand the recent shitty OCIs is the basis for the GULC hate on TLS, but what is the basis for the Cornell hate? I sort of wish I'd applied to V and M :\
I'd forget all about the rankings difference. For all you know, Cornell will be ranked 16th by the time you graduate in 2013. If you want big law or PI in DC, then go with GULC; if you want big law in NYC, then go with Cornell. If you're not sure, then go to the school that feels right to you.
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It wasn't declared it is the objective truth.dk8 wrote:a bunch of the cool people from the BP thread have declared that it is now the T13 and not the T14, so i'd go with cornell.
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haha Desert Fox is pushing this so hard.dk8 wrote:a bunch of the cool people from the BP thread have declared that it is now the T13 and not the T14, so i'd go with cornell.
Edit: I absolutely cannot believe you got to it before me in this thread. You are an anti GTTTown maniac.
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Going to a T13 isn't the end all be all.
Do you want DC or NYC? If DC go to GULC, if NYC Cornell.
Do you want DC or NYC? If DC go to GULC, if NYC Cornell.
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OMG 180 hth!!!Desert Fox wrote:It wasn't declared it is the objective truth.dk8 wrote:a bunch of the cool people from the BP thread have declared that it is now the T13 and not the T14, so i'd go with cornell.
but seriously, i've heard this before from people other than you. got any good links that would prove this?
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Mostly asked to confirm this thought, I guess.Dignan wrote: If you're not sure, then go to the school that feels right to you.
I am not sure re big law right now - I don't know how interested in it I am. I guess I need to read up on what it is all about, what it's like, etc. I work at a... mid-sized firm, I guess, right now (3 offices, ~50 attorneys) as a paralegal and think it is fantastic. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like even bigger, but I am slightly afraid of the giant, anonymous sweat shop that I sometimes envision big law as.
I haven't seen much talk on these boards about becoming, say, a plaintiffs' trial lawyer. Or just trying to find something a little less evil than defending pharmaceutical and auto manufacturers.
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How could one possibly "prove" that an arbitrary sub-class (t13/t14) of an arbitrary ranking system is correct? The OP already seems unduly influenced by rankings. Let's not make it worse.dk8 wrote:OMG 180 hth!!!Desert Fox wrote:It wasn't declared it is the objective truth.dk8 wrote:a bunch of the cool people from the BP thread have declared that it is now the T13 and not the T14, so i'd go with cornell.
but seriously, i've heard this before from people other than you. got any good links that would prove this?
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which of these would be more useful for chicago biglaw?
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I've never been to either of these towns and have no idea which I would prefer. Both have been hyped beyond belief by people I've met, though. Philadelphia sounds pretty nice to me.Desert Fox wrote:Going to a T13 isn't the end all be all.
Do you want DC or NYC? If DC go to GULC, if NYC Cornell.
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I think considering them in terms of their job prospects isn't going to get you anywhere because they seem pretty similar. This is however, the only way they appear similar. So you should definatley consider which atmosphere you prefer for the next three years.
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That helps. You know, if you need to "find yourself" a bit, I would lean towards Cornell. The more intimate setting might help you figure things out. But, first, you need to make sure that you would be ok living in Ithica. I like Ithica, but it's definitely not for everyone.johndhi wrote:Mostly asked to confirm this thought, I guess.Dignan wrote: If you're not sure, then go to the school that feels right to you.
I am not sure re big law right now - I don't know how interested in it I am. I guess I need to read up on what it is all about, what it's like, etc. I work at a... mid-sized firm, I guess, right now (3 offices, ~50 attorneys) as a paralegal and think it is fantastic. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like even bigger, but I am slightly afraid of the giant, anonymous sweat shop that I sometimes envision big law as.
I haven't seen much talk on these boards about becoming, say, a plaintiffs' trial lawyer. Or just trying to find something a little less evil than defending pharmaceutical and auto manufacturers.
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Cornell. ITE, you really need to be at T13 unless you get good money.
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Flip a coin.iamtaw wrote:which of these would be more useful for chicago biglaw?
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i realized this right after i posted it. i was going to edit but was waiting for a response. i've heard the same anecdotal evidence about GULC's OCI lately, I just wanted to see if there was any hard data that I don't know about.Dignan wrote:How could one possibly "prove" that an arbitrary sub-class (t13/t14) of an arbitrary ranking system is correct? The OP already seems unduly influenced by rankings. Let's not make it worse.dk8 wrote:OMG 180 hth!!!Desert Fox wrote:It wasn't declared it is the objective truth.dk8 wrote:a bunch of the cool people from the BP thread have declared that it is now the T13 and not the T14, so i'd go with cornell.
but seriously, i've heard this before from people other than you. got any good links that would prove this?
i wasn't being serious OP. carry on
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You know that you still can, right? You can even ED at V if you think you need to.johndhi wrote:I sort of wish I'd applied to V and M :\
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I liked Rocky IV - do you think I'd like it there?Dignan wrote:But, first, you need to make sure that you would be ok living in Ithica. I like Ithica, but it's definitely not for everyone.
I wouldn't say I need to find myself, exactly - I know that I want to be a conniving lawyer who works a ton and makes friends in high places and doesn't ever give people the whole answer, but I'm just not certain where and if in a big firm or a smaller one. Do you have any suggestions for how to figure that sort of thing out?
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Flamejohndhi wrote:I've never been to either of these towns and have no idea which I would prefer. Both have been hyped beyond belief by people I've met, though. Philadelphia sounds pretty nice to me.Desert Fox wrote:Going to a T13 isn't the end all be all.
Do you want DC or NYC? If DC go to GULC, if NYC Cornell.
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+1. And UVA would give you better opportunities than either Cornell or GULC.showNprove wrote:You know that you still can, right? You can even ED at V if you think you need to.johndhi wrote:I sort of wish I'd applied to V and M :\
It appears, however, that you need at least a 3.85 GPA to get accepted, even via ED, by UVA right now. UVA is the worst of the number whores, and they are jealously guarding their GPA median. I suppose it couldn't hurt to try, though.
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ha - my ex-girlfriend convinced me it's nice there and I really like Always Sunny. Wasn't there a game show where last place always meant you won a trip to Philadelphia?kittenmittons wrote:Flamejohndhi wrote:I've never been to either of these towns and have no idea which I would prefer. Both have been hyped beyond belief by people I've met, though. Philadelphia sounds pretty nice to me.Desert Fox wrote:Going to a T13 isn't the end all be all.
Do you want DC or NYC? If DC go to GULC, if NYC Cornell.
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Is this flame? How can a West Coaster think NYC/DC are overhyped, yet Philly of all places "sounds pretty nice"?johndhi wrote:I've never been to either of these towns and have no idea which I would prefer. Both have been hyped beyond belief by people I've met, though. Philadelphia sounds pretty nice to me.Desert Fox wrote:Going to a T13 isn't the end all be all.
Do you want DC or NYC? If DC go to GULC, if NYC Cornell.
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?? LSN shows plenty of admits lower than that. I'm 171/3.7Dignan wrote:+1. And UVA would give you better opportunities than either Cornell or GULC.showNprove wrote:You know that you still can, right? You can even ED at V if you think you need to.johndhi wrote:I sort of wish I'd applied to V and M :\
It appears, however, that you need at least a 3.85 GPA to get accepted, even via ED, by UVA right now. UVA is the worst of the number whores, and they are jealously guarding their GPA median. I suppose it couldn't hurt to try, though.
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