Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

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Kobe_Teeth
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Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:39 pm

In another post (actually many) people seem to think that when former students don't report their (un)employment stats its because they're working at Starbucks or McDonald's.

What is this belief based on?

My UG asked me for my employment status last year and I simply "forgot" (read: was too lazy) to fill it out, though I was definitely employed.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:04 pm

Is the lack of reply to mean the belief is based on nothing?

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby im_blue » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:09 pm

The belief that the worst case scenario is probably close to the actual truth.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:10 pm

So its just guarded pessimism?

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby arhmcpo » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:20 pm

Anecdotal evidence by TLS users, some with very good jobs reported being hounded by their law schools to report their job data, while others w/ no job or poorly paying jobs report being notified once (ish) by something like snail mail; apparently the CDO or law schools generally already have an idea of what kind of jobs their new alums have and they pursue the reporting info accordingly. The implication is that because schools know it is in their best interest to have only their high paid alumni report, as opposed to having 100% reporting which would lower their median salary data; that this is precisely what they do. Plus a Median isn't a Mean even though law schools represent it as such.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:22 pm

Now that makes more sense!

Thank you.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby im_blue » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:29 pm

arhmcpo wrote:Anecdotal evidence by TLS users, some with very good jobs reported being hounded by their law schools to report their job data, while others w/ no job or poorly paying jobs report being notified once (ish) by something like snail mail; apparently the CDO or law schools generally already have an idea of what kind of jobs their new alums have and they pursue the reporting info accordingly. The implication is that because schools know it is in their best interest to have only their high paid alumni report, as opposed to having 100% reporting which would lower their median salary data; that this is precisely what they do. Plus a Median isn't a Mean even though law schools represent it as such.


Are CSOs hounding the grads with good jobs or high GPAs? I'm wondering how they'd know about the job offers.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby miamiman » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:30 pm

Am I the only person that immediately rules out a ls if they report 2007 data?

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby im_blue » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:38 pm

miamiman wrote:Am I the only person that immediately rules out a ls if they report 2007 data?


I've seen a new ITE strategy where law schools report 2007-09 data lumped together.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby beesknees » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:39 pm

miamiman wrote:Am I the only person that immediately rules out a ls if they report 2007 data?


Yeah, it immediately raises eyebrows... as does a hefty portion of grads working in "business and industry."

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:44 pm

miamiman wrote:Am I the only person that immediately rules out a ls if they report 2007 data?



Just looked at HLS' website. They report 2007 stats. TTT.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby beesknees » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:52 pm

Kobe_Teeth wrote:
miamiman wrote:Am I the only person that immediately rules out a ls if they report 2007 data?



Just looked at HLS' website. They report 2007 stats. TTT.


Oh, I wouldn't know. I knew I would not be gunning for Harvard with my numbers, so I didn't check out their employment stats. Sidenote: even if I did apply, I still probably wouldn't have looked at their employment info, as I assume they could just say "awesome" and it would suffice.

Anyway, most of the schools I applied to had 2008 data and now are making 2009 info available.

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Re: Unreported Employment (or lack thereof)

Postby Kobe_Teeth » Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:54 pm

I'm not going for Harvard either...not even close.

Most schools I've looked at use 2008 and 2009 as well.




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