Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

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Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:47 pm

So a little background about me:
LSAT: 168
GPA: 3.70
3 years work experience

I hope to practice in Chicago and thus far my cycle has gone like this:
In: UIUC, Indiana, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Washington (St. Louis)
Waitlist: Columbia, Cornell. Virginia, and Penn
Still Waiting on: Northwestern and Michigan

I'd love to go to Columbia or Penn but is it worth waiting on them? I have my heart now set on ND and both Columbia and Penn stated I won't find out anything until mid-May (past the deposit deadline for ND).

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby sanpiero » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:54 pm

clint4law wrote:So a little background about me:
LSAT: 168
GPA: 3.70
3 years work experience

I hope to practice in Chicago and thus far my cycle has gone like this:
In: UIUC, Indiana, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Washington (St. Louis)
Waitlist: Columbia, Cornell. Virginia, and Penn
Still Waiting on: Northwestern and Michigan

I'd love to go to Columbia or Penn but is it worth waiting on them? I have my heart now set on ND and both Columbia and Penn stated I won't find out anything until mid-May (past the deposit deadline for ND).


schollys?

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:58 pm

sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:So a little background about me:
LSAT: 168
GPA: 3.70
3 years work experience

I hope to practice in Chicago and thus far my cycle has gone like this:
In: UIUC, Indiana, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Washington (St. Louis)
Waitlist: Columbia, Cornell. Virginia, and Penn
Still Waiting on: Northwestern and Michigan

I'd love to go to Columbia or Penn but is it worth waiting on them? I have my heart now set on ND and both Columbia and Penn stated I won't find out anything until mid-May (past the deposit deadline for ND).


schollys?


Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby holydonkey » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:01 pm

clint4law wrote:
sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:So a little background about me:
LSAT: 168
GPA: 3.70
3 years work experience

I hope to practice in Chicago and thus far my cycle has gone like this:
In: UIUC, Indiana, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Washington (St. Louis)
Waitlist: Columbia, Cornell. Virginia, and Penn
Still Waiting on: Northwestern and Michigan

I'd love to go to Columbia or Penn but is it worth waiting on them? I have my heart now set on ND and both Columbia and Penn stated I won't find out anything until mid-May (past the deposit deadline for ND).


schollys?


Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


Notre Dame. Stay on the waitlists at all.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:33 pm

bump

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby Great Satchmo » Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:49 pm

Notre Dame, and stay on waitlists +1.

Just make sure they don't require you to withdraw other apps once you place your deposit.

And, I envy the hell outta you for being able to say "the money isn't really an issue". You should forget law school and move to a tropical island.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:05 pm

Great Satchmo wrote:Notre Dame, and stay on waitlists +1.

Just make sure they don't require you to withdraw other apps once you place your deposit.

And, I envy the hell outta you for being able to say "the money isn't really an issue". You should forget law school and move to a tropical island.


Thanks for your input.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby ArthurEdens » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:46 pm

clint4law wrote:Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


Even if you somehow earned six figures for those short 3 years, I am puzzled by this attitude (unless your family is loaded and will throw cash at you of course). Sometimes a $60,000 differential in cost is dismissed as inconsequential, but that's like rolling a brand new Porsche Boxster off a cliff. Loaded or not, it's a big waste.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby starstruck393 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:50 pm

If money isn't an issue, definitely wait for the T-14. Put down a deposit if you have to, and if you get in elsewhere, just withdraw...

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby sanpiero » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:15 pm

clint4law wrote:Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


I'd be really interested to know which area of entry-level work allows one to amass enough wealth in 3 years to defray a substantial portion of LS cost...

As the PP said, go T14 if money isn't an issue. With your WE (if it's in business, as i presume it is), i'd be surprised if you get dinged at both UM and NU. Send LOCIs to the schools that WL'ed
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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby keg411 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:16 pm

sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


I'd be really interested to know which area of entry-level work allows one to amass enough wealth in 3 years to defray a substantial portion of LS cost...

As the PP said, go T14 if money isn't an issue


Maybe OP is a non-trad and has had longer than a 3 year professional career.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:17 pm

sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


I'd be really interested to know which area of entry-level work allows one to amass enough wealth in 3 years to defray a substantial portion of LS cost...

As the PP said, go T14 if money isn't an issue


to answer your question.....I started a business immediately after undergrad and recently sold it to a Fortune 500 company.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby im_blue » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:21 pm

IMHO it's not worth waiting for Columbia or Penn, since you're below both medians and have zero chance of getting off the waitlists. In fact, I'd say Cornell is the only school at which you have any chance, among the WL/pending schools. So I'd deposit at ND now and ride the waitlists to the end.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby sanpiero » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:22 pm

keg411 wrote:
sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


I'd be really interested to know which area of entry-level work allows one to amass enough wealth in 3 years to defray a substantial portion of LS cost...

As the PP said, go T14 if money isn't an issue


Maybe OP is a non-trad and has had longer than a 3 year professional career.


I'd find it hard to believe OP has 3 years of work experience and a professional career of more than 3 years

EDIT: sp

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby sanpiero » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:23 pm

clint4law wrote:
sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


I'd be really interested to know which area of entry-level work allows one to amass enough wealth in 3 years to defray a substantial portion of LS cost...

As the PP said, go T14 if money isn't an issue


to answer your question.....I started a business immediately after undergrad and recently sold it to a Fortune 500 company.


impressive! congrats

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby chadwick218 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:24 pm

Our #'s are not too far apart ... my GPA is a bit higher, but I got off Penn (August) and NU (June) after having applied past both schools deadlines. I sent LOCI about every 2.5 weeks.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby sanpiero » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:29 pm

im_blue wrote:IMHO it's not worth waiting for Columbia or Penn, since you're below both medians and have zero chance of getting off the waitlists. In fact, I'd say Cornell is the only school at which you have any chance, among the WL/pending schools. So I'd deposit at ND now and ride the waitlists to the end.


False. Above both Penn medians. I see no reason why you shouldn't remain on Penn's WL and send a prompt LOCI, unless of course you don't want Penn over ND (in which case i'd say you're crazy)

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby fortissimo » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:37 pm

sanpiero wrote:
im_blue wrote:IMHO it's not worth waiting for Columbia or Penn, since you're below both medians and have zero chance of getting off the waitlists. In fact, I'd say Cornell is the only school at which you have any chance, among the WL/pending schools. So I'd deposit at ND now and ride the waitlists to the end.


False. Above both Penn medians. I see no reason why you shouldn't remain on Penn's WL and send a prompt LOCI, unless of course you don't want Penn over ND (in which case i'd say you're crazy)


What? Isn't Penn's median LSAT 170? OP is probably out at all of the T-14s except Cornell. OP's LSAT is below every T-14s median except for Boalt's and Cornell's.
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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby im_blue » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:39 pm

sanpiero wrote:
im_blue wrote:IMHO it's not worth waiting for Columbia or Penn, since you're below both medians and have zero chance of getting off the waitlists. In fact, I'd say Cornell is the only school at which you have any chance, among the WL/pending schools. So I'd deposit at ND now and ride the waitlists to the end.


False. Above both Penn medians. I see no reason why you shouldn't remain on Penn's WL and send a prompt LOCI, unless of course you don't want Penn over ND (in which case i'd say you're crazy)


3.70/168 < 3.82/170
I knew lawyers are bad at math, but jeez... :shock:

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:46 am

sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:
sanpiero wrote:
clint4law wrote:Yes....but to be honest I've done really well in my professional career and money will not play a huge role in where I go to school.


I'd be really interested to know which area of entry-level work allows one to amass enough wealth in 3 years to defray a substantial portion of LS cost...

As the PP said, go T14 if money isn't an issue


to answer your question.....I started a business immediately after undergrad and recently sold it to a Fortune 500 company.


impressive! congrats


thanks

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby sanpiero » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:30 am

im_blue wrote:
sanpiero wrote:
im_blue wrote:IMHO it's not worth waiting for Columbia or Penn, since you're below both medians and have zero chance of getting off the waitlists. In fact, I'd say Cornell is the only school at which you have any chance, among the WL/pending schools. So I'd deposit at ND now and ride the waitlists to the end.


False. Above both Penn medians. I see no reason why you shouldn't remain on Penn's WL and send a prompt LOCI, unless of course you don't want Penn over ND (in which case i'd say you're crazy)


3.70/168 < 3.82/170
I knew lawyers are bad at math, but jeez... :shock:


Redacted for unprecedented idiocy
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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby 09042014 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:37 am

clint4law wrote:So a little background about me:
LSAT: 168
GPA: 3.70
3 years work experience

I hope to practice in Chicago and thus far my cycle has gone like this:
In: UIUC, Indiana, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Washington (St. Louis)
Waitlist: Columbia, Cornell. Virginia, and Penn
Still Waiting on: Northwestern and Michigan

I'd love to go to Columbia or Penn but is it worth waiting on them? I have my heart now set on ND and both Columbia and Penn stated I won't find out anything until mid-May (past the deposit deadline for ND).


UIUC is the best nont14 for Chicago, but ITE none of the above that aren't T13 placed well.

You should go the best you get in this order:

Columbia
NU
Mich
Penn
Uva
Cornell
UIUC
ND
Wustl
Minn
Indy

This list would change drastically if you didn't specifically want Chicago.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:45 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
clint4law wrote:So a little background about me:
LSAT: 168
GPA: 3.70
3 years work experience

I hope to practice in Chicago and thus far my cycle has gone like this:
In: UIUC, Indiana, Notre Dame, Minnesota, Washington (St. Louis)
Waitlist: Columbia, Cornell. Virginia, and Penn
Still Waiting on: Northwestern and Michigan

I'd love to go to Columbia or Penn but is it worth waiting on them? I have my heart now set on ND and both Columbia and Penn stated I won't find out anything until mid-May (past the deposit deadline for ND).


UIUC is the best nont14 for Chicago, but ITE none of the above that aren't T13 placed well.

You should go the best you get in this order:

Columbia
NU
Mich
Penn
Uva
Cornell
UIUC
ND
Wustl
Minn
Indy

This list would change drastically if you didn't specifically want Chicago.


So UIUC ranks higher than ND for Chicago?

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby wadeny » Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:32 pm

clint4law wrote:So UIUC ranks higher than ND for Chicago?


From what I've heard, ND's main advantage for job placement is the strength of its alumni base. Both UIUC and ND are excellent schools, but their placement in Chicago, especially for biglaw if that's what you're interested in, is going to be tough ITE no matter how you cut it. If you check out the legal employment forum (I'm not sure of the specific thread), you can find some more firsthand evidence of this; apparently, the number of firms that came to UIUC for OCI dropped off considerably this year (although that can be said for most schools, I guess).

Personally, with your #s, I would hold out hope for a T14 to come through. If that doesn't happen, I would go with the cheapest of UIUC, ND, or WUSTL.

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Re: Notre Dame v UIUC v Waitlist at a T14?

Postby clint4law » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:19 am

thanks




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