darknightbegins wrote:Well also the fact that there are more UM grads in Miami I think helps the cause of UM placing well in Miami.
Other then a few points difference on the LSAT can you point to a difference between UF and UM? Their student to faculty ratio is around the same, with UF having a slightly lower student to faculty ratio, and they place in big law jobs about the same and the bar passage rate is virtually identical and the percentage employed after 9 months is close to being the same with UM having a slight edge, at least according to LSN... I wouldn't dispute the fact that Florida has more prestige, it is ranked higher than Miami in most of the rankings I have seen, but the numbers I have seen show that the schools seem to be relatively close overall. Since the schools seem close in the areas I just mentioned, and UM is in Miami and has more grads in Miami than Florida, I think its reasonable to believe they have an edge over the Gators.
More UM grads in Miami might help UM's cause, but how much? There are many UF grads in Miami as well, and the UM grads presumably think more highly of UF grads than UF grads think of UM grads. In the end, you're still left with the stronghold theory. It has some merit, I'll admit. But given the level of overlap that UF's territory has on UM's, and UF's superiority over UM, a lot of that merit is lost.
The differences between UF and UM that I can point to are state-wide recognition, alumni-base, quality of education, historical product, value and prestige. Consider the 2010 Super Lawyers rankings, which ranks schools based on how many top-earning lawyers they produce. UF ranks #8 nationally, UM ranks something like #21. UF beats UM every time in every statistical category except for starting salary, and that's the fishiest and most prone to manipulation of all. I have heard the opinions of lawyers in large South Florida firms and from what I gather (I don't claim this to be fully representative) they generally put UF ahead or the two even in South Florida. UM graduates can't make it outside of South Florida. Not even in Orlando or Tampa. Why? Because they all love Miami so much that they never want to leave? Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. UF has a greater national reach than UM, if only marginally so, perhaps on account of the name recognition of the larger brand. UF has a higher standard of selectivity, which leads one to believe that the quality of education and student body may also be of a higher standard than those of UM (though this may not be the case). Finally, UF is almost always going to be cheaper than UM, especially considering Gainesville's cost of living versus' Miami's.
darknightbegins wrote:Also living in Miami doesn't mean he is "vacationing". I think thats ridiculous to say just because it is a big city some how that detracts from his ability to study. I guess those NYU students are just fucked aren't they? Why they have that great big city all around them, lord knows how they get anything done.
When did I say that living in Miami means vacationing? You have been pounding on how this guy should base his decision on where to go to law school on which environment he'd enjoy himself more in. I simply said that it is important to remember that law school is an investment rather than a vacation - wherever it is attended. NYU students should be going to NYU because NYU is a good school and because going there will get them a good job, not because NYU is in NYC and they can have fun there. I never suggested anything about his or anybody else's ability to study in the face of diversions. You are beating a straw man.
darknightbegins wrote:If the price is equal and he thinks he wants to practice in South Florida then go to the U. Also, I heard about a survey on The Young Turks that Miami has best combo of hottest and dumbest girls in the US. So that is an additional boost, assuming he is straight.
Now you're really getting desperate. But I guess my "investment" line doesn't really work here, assuming that this guy is both straight and single, so props to you. Did I mention that Gainesville has a giant sinkhole?