Does rank even matter after 50th?

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Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby eagles86 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:26 pm

It seems like all the schools from 40 to 100 generally have more or less the same job prospects. Would you agree with this...for instance Penn st, villanova, newark, denver all are regional schools but one really wont get you farther than the other

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby GATORTIM » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:27 pm

I would even say rank doesnt matter after 20 or so....

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby ec2xs » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:29 pm

Yes, there is a very big difference between U of Florida and U of Maine. And while most of these schools are regional after #50, many have specialty programs that set them apart or have national recognition.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby sarlis » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:29 pm

GATORTIM wrote:I would even say rank doesnt matter after 20 or so....


-1. if one goes to, say, OSU (35th ranked), they have job prospects in the midwest region. but if one goes to, say, Hofstra around 100th ranked), they are limited to exclusively NYC, and maybe NY state, but nothing in terms of the region.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby Oblomov » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:30 pm

Rank relative to other schools in the market does. If the strongest school that serves a market is #81, that's a fine school to go to. If the same market also has schools 35, 42 and 51, school 81 is probably a bad investment.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby kalvano » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:32 pm

eagles86 wrote:It seems like all the schools from 40 to 100 generally have more or less the same job prospects. Would you agree with this...for instance Penn st, villanova, newark, denver all are regional schools but one really wont get you farther than the other



It's my understanding that Temple / Villanova / Penn State are not equal in terms of job prospects at all, and they serve roughly the same market.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:34 pm

Rank doesn't matter even in for the t14, but probably not in the way you think.

The prestige of the schools in the eyes of hiring partners matters. The rankings are pretty close to that.

Berkeley is beating Chicago in the rankings, but its not better, and its not even tied in terms of job placement.

Law firms aren't reading USNWR to see who to hire.

Find the city you want to practice in and see how the schools stack up in your market, or if you don't care find out which schools place the biggest percent of their class into big firms and pick it.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby ArthurEdens » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:41 pm

Rankings matter, but it might just take a bit more detective work to find out the advantages of one school vs. another. You'll need to look at what schools your target law firm hires from, although I suppose this is true for anyone not attending HYS.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby General Tso » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:42 pm

GATORTIM wrote:I would even say rank doesnt matter after 20 or so....


So to put things in your terms -- UF is no better than Florida Coastal/Stetson/FIU. great analysis!

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby Rawlsian » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:52 pm

Oblomov wrote:Rank relative to other schools in the market does. If the strongest school that serves a market is #81, that's a fine school to go to. If the same market also has schools 35, 42 and 51, school 81 is probably a bad investment.


TITCR

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby General Tso » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:53 pm

Rawlsian wrote:
Oblomov wrote:Rank relative to other schools in the market does. If the strongest school that serves a market is #81, that's a fine school to go to. If the same market also has schools 35, 42 and 51, school 81 is probably a bad investment.


TITCR


Agreed -- Oblomov, as usual, has the strongest analysis

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby GATORTIM » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:15 pm

swheat wrote:
GATORTIM wrote:I would even say rank doesnt matter after 20 or so....


So to put things in your terms -- UF is no better than Florida Coastal/Stetson/FIU. great analysis!


Who is selecting between UF and Florida Coastal? Okay captain literal...let me qualify my position

I'm saying that the difference between #25 and say #40 is likely marginal and the career prospects will be driven by the determination and personality of the individual rather than by the ranking of the school.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby Scurredsitless1 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:26 pm

kalvano wrote:
eagles86 wrote:It seems like all the schools from 40 to 100 generally have more or less the same job prospects. Would you agree with this...for instance Penn st, villanova, newark, denver all are regional schools but one really wont get you farther than the other



It's my understanding that Temple / Villanova / Penn State are not equal in terms of job prospects at all, and they serve roughly the same market.


Really? Although Penn st might have a slight disadvantage due to location and recent changes, I really thought Villanova and Temple were peer institutions.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby whuts4lunch » Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:33 pm

swheat wrote:
Rawlsian wrote:
Oblomov wrote:Rank relative to other schools in the market does. If the strongest school that serves a market is #81, that's a fine school to go to. If the same market also has schools 35, 42 and 51, school 81 is probably a bad investment.


TITCR


Agreed -- Oblomov, as usual, has the strongest analysis


big reason why I am strongly considering UMiami even though my numbers aren't that far from T14

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby General Tso » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:00 pm

GATORTIM wrote:
swheat wrote:
GATORTIM wrote:I would even say rank doesnt matter after 20 or so....


So to put things in your terms -- UF is no better than Florida Coastal/Stetson/FIU. great analysis!


Who is selecting between UF and Florida Coastal? Okay captain literal...let me qualify my position

I'm saying that the difference between #25 and say #40 is likely marginal and the career prospects will be driven by the determination and personality of the individual rather than by the ranking of the school.


The reason for making that distinction is simple -- T14 or bust or T20 or bust people will often say that since all schools after T20 are "the same," it's pointless to go to law school if you can't get into a top school. As if all schools outside the T20 offer the "same" employment prospects.

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby anthonyc350 » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:05 am

ec2xs wrote:Yes, there is a very big difference between U of Florida and U of Maine. And while most of these schools are regional after #50, many have specialty programs that set them apart or have national recognition.



not really, if you want to work in maine, maine is better, if you want to work in florida, florida is better

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Re: Does rank even matter after 50th?

Postby SoxyPirate » Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:13 am

kalvano wrote:
eagles86 wrote:It seems like all the schools from 40 to 100 generally have more or less the same job prospects. Would you agree with this...for instance Penn st, villanova, newark, denver all are regional schools but one really wont get you farther than the other



It's my understanding that Temple / Villanova / Penn State are not equal in terms of job prospects at all, and they serve roughly the same market.



Oh boy. I've got to see these numbers...

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