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Law Review Rankings

Postby Kronk » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:03 pm

Just thought this was sort of interesting. Clearly, the HLR is #1. I thought it was interesting that Chicago's was so low (relative to how good the school is).

http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/index.aspx

Edit: To see the rankings, click the "2008" box under the "Combined" column and then hit submit.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby dextermorgan » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:17 pm

VoidSix wrote:Just thought this was sort of interesting. Clearly, the HLR is #1. I thought it was interesting that Chicago's was so low (relative to how good the school is).

http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/index.aspx

Edit: To see the rankings, click the "2008" box under the "Combined" column and then hit submit.

So much for that academic focus.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby Kronk » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:18 pm

dextermorgan wrote:
VoidSix wrote:Just thought this was sort of interesting. Clearly, the HLR is #1. I thought it was interesting that Chicago's was so low (relative to how good the school is).

http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/index.aspx

Edit: To see the rankings, click the "2008" box under the "Combined" column and then hit submit.

So much for that academic focus.


No kidding. I thought that was really surprising. Not to mention that their faculty is 2nd in citations (according to Leiter). Would've thought it'd be one of the best law reviews.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby timertimer61 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:20 pm

was surprised to see fordham law review so high up there.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:28 pm

timertimer61 wrote:was surprised to see fordham law review so high up there.


I knew it was well respected, but very happy to see that.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby Kronk » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:29 pm

OperaSoprano wrote:
timertimer61 wrote:was surprised to see fordham law review so high up there.


I knew it was well respected, but very happy to see that.


OS, do you get an email alert everyone types "Fordham?" ;)

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby acdisagod » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:29 pm

Cooley is 547th, surprising that a top school has such a low ranking law review.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby Renzo » Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:30 pm

Wow, do people loooooove making lists.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby soullesswonder » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:04 pm

Harvard has five secondary journals in the top 50 :shock:

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby ravens20 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:05 pm

Chicago, Michigan, and Duke with surprisingly poor showings.
Texas and Fordham with surprisingly strong showings.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:12 pm

VoidSix wrote:
OperaSoprano wrote:
timertimer61 wrote:was surprised to see fordham law review so high up there.


I knew it was well respected, but very happy to see that.


OS, do you get an email alert everyone types "Fordham?" ;)


Lol, no, but I was trained in school trolling by Observationalist, so I've picked up a few of his tricks.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby soullesswonder » Sun Jan 31, 2010 11:16 pm

ravens20 wrote:Chicago, Michigan, and Duke with surprisingly poor showings.
Texas and Fordham with surprisingly strong showings.


In Chicago's defense, I noticed it is the only school besides Harvard to have two journals in the top 25 (Supreme Court Review + UC LR)

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby ggocat » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:16 am

VoidSix wrote:Just thought this was sort of interesting. Clearly, the HLR is #1. I thought it was interesting that Chicago's was so low (relative to how good the school is).

http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/index.aspx

Edit: To see the rankings, click the "2008" box under the "Combined" column and then hit submit.

It's a little more complicated.

HLR is not "clearly" #1. HLR is #1 if you use the default IF of 0.33, which the authors selected "because that weighting gives Harvard the highest combined-rank over each of 13 ranking surveys." http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/method.asp#combinedscore.

If you weight the IF at 0.577---the number used by another prominent ranking, see generally Ronen Perry, The Relative Value of American Law Reviews, 39 Conn. L. Rev. 1 (2006)---then YLJ is #1 in the W&L rankings. But YLJ and HLR often exchange the #1 spot.

It should be noted that the lower the IF factor, the greater W&L rises in the rankings: #59 with IF 0.000, #74 with IF 0.333, #85 with IF 0.577, and #105 with IF 1.000. In some disciplines, journals are ranked solely based on IF. So the lessening of the importance of the IF (and the relative benefit W&L receives by doing so) may be a valid criticism of the W&L rankings.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby Kronk » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:18 am

ggocat wrote:
VoidSix wrote:Just thought this was sort of interesting. Clearly, the HLR is #1. I thought it was interesting that Chicago's was so low (relative to how good the school is).

http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/index.aspx

Edit: To see the rankings, click the "2008" box under the "Combined" column and then hit submit.

It's a little more complicated.

HLR is not "clearly" #1. HLR is #1 if you use the default IF of 0.33, which the authors selected "because that weighting gives Harvard the highest combined-rank over each of 13 ranking surveys." http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/method.asp#combinedscore.

If you weight the IF at 0.577---the number used by another prominent ranking, see generally Ronen Perry, The Relative Value of American Law Reviews, 39 Conn. L. Rev. 1 (2006)---then YLJ is #1 in the W&L rankings. But YLJ and HLR often exchange the #1 spot.

It should be noted that the lower the IF factor, the greater W&L rises in the rankings: #59 with IF 0.000, #74 with IF 0.333, #85 with IF 0.577, and #105 with IF 1.000. In some disciplines, journals are ranked solely based on IF. So the lessening of the importance of the IF (and the relative benefit W&L receives by doing so) may be a valid criticism of the W&L rankings.



Good to know. Thanks.

I just said HLR was #1 because I have read the HLR and seen articles from it far more often than any other law journal.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby jrobby6 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:23 am

wait, how do you determine rankings? by how many times its cited?

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby ravens20 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:24 am

soullesswonder wrote:
ravens20 wrote:Chicago, Michigan, and Duke with surprisingly poor showings.
Texas and Fordham with surprisingly strong showings.


In Chicago's defense, I noticed it is the only school besides Harvard to have two journals in the top 25 (Supreme Court Review + UC LR)


True that's def. a good point.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby ggocat » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:25 am

VoidSix wrote:Good to know. Thanks.

I just said HLR was #1 because I have read the HLR and seen articles from it far more often than any other law journal.

No prob. I suspect HLR publishes many more articles than YLJ because, despite surpassing YLJ by about 1000-2000 citations per year, HLR has a lower IF.

I think we can make some decent generalizations from these rankings, but much like other rankings (*cough* Cooley *cough*), you can make rankings say what you want them to say by altering the weight of the variables or altering the variables themselves.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby ggocat » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:26 am

jrobby6 wrote:wait, how do you determine rankings? by how many times its cited?

W&L ranking methodology: http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/method.asp#methodology.

In short, a combination of total number of cites and the impact factor. Impact factor is described here: http://lawlib.wlu.edu/LJ/method.asp#impactfactor. It's basically a ratio of cites to number of articles published.

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby Maven » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:24 am

Who the hell reads law reviews!

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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby thesealocust » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:48 am

edit: never mind
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Re: Law Review Rankings

Postby Maven » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:56 am

Law Reviews are just not as relevant as they were 20 years ago. Law Professors may read them but I seriously doubt that most Judges do. LRs importance is tied to the prestiege associated with being an editor.




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