Top 1-14 US News Predictions

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Flanker1067 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:17 pm

hopewell wrote:http://visualizelaw.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-gaps-in-the-us-news-law-rankings/

When you see how entrenched the T14 schools really are, talking about cornell falling out is just ridiculous. HTH.


This actually makes it look like Gtown could flip with UT/UCLA very easily, but that the rest are safe.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby democrattotheend » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:32 pm

When do new rankings come out?

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby chadwick218 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:35 pm

Cornell is not going to fall out of the T14 and Texas is not going to join the T14. The only changes that I see as being likely is the deadlock b/w UVA, NU, and Duke being broken this year.

Also, I am suprised to have see fewer ant-Berkeley posts w/r/t this discussion.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby chadwick218 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:35 pm

democrattotheend wrote:When do new rankings come out?


4/23 last year, but it was delayed to account for PT rankings (which turned out to be a joke anyways)

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Kronk » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:38 pm

Eh, if you look at the zscores of all the categories, it seems incredibly unlikely that Chicago jumps NYU or Columbia. It's possible that the tie with NYU occurs, but it would have to be because Leiter was correct when he said Chicago was misreporting their financial figures in the 2000s and there is a significant change.

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. NYU
6. Berkeley
7. Chicago
7. Penn
9. Michigan
9. UVA
11. Duke
11. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. Georgetown

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby chadwick218 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:38 pm

showNprove wrote:Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.


I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby showNprove » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:42 pm

chadwick218 wrote:
showNprove wrote:Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.


I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?

How? Do you think people filling out the surveys are going to say, "Well, Virginia has great professors and student quality, but their admissions office gave out too many fee waivers for my taste"?

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby fortissimo » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:43 pm

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby showNprove » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:44 pm

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby HeelsforHoos » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:45 pm

Does anyone know if student:faculty ratios have changed appreciably for any of the T14 this year?

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby showNprove » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:50 pm

fortissimo wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:
showNprove wrote:Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.


I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?


Less money = less financial aid available.

That's only, what, $60 an application? Even if less people had to pay the application fee this year, we're still talking peanuts. One extra student paying full tuition would probably more than make up for it.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby chadwick218 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:52 pm

showNprove wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:
showNprove wrote:Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.


I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?

How? Do you think people filling out the surveys are going to say, "Well, Virginia has great professors and student quality, but their admissions office gave out too many fee waivers for my taste"?


I was thinking of a more subtle impact ... to what extent would USNWR look disfavorably on UVA giving out fee waivers to folks who never had any shot of being admitted for the sole purpose of decreasing their acceptance rate. At the end of the day, I think that any such consideration is mute, but a consideration nonetheless.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby fortissimo » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:54 pm

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby BenJ » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:58 pm

chadwick218 wrote:Cornell is not going to fall out of the T14 and Texas is not going to join the T14. The only changes that I see as being likely is the deadlock b/w UVA, NU, and Duke being broken this year.

Also, I am suprised to have see fewer ant-Berkeley posts w/r/t this discussion.


The thing is, the whole reason the T14 are the T14 is prestige. Even if Cornell or Georgetown (or somewhere else) is ranked 15 next year, it will still be in that elite grouping. Conversely, even if Texas or UCLA or somewhere else breaks into the top 14 on the rankings, it will not gain automatic acceptance into the traditional elite.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Kronk » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:01 pm

showNprove wrote:
VoidSix wrote:Eh, if you look at the zscores of all the categories, it seems incredibly unlikely that Chicago jumps NYU or Columbia. It's possible that the tie with NYU occurs, but it would have to be because Leiter was correct when he said Chicago was misreporting their financial figures in the 2000s and there is a significant change.

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. NYU
6. Berkeley
7. Chicago
7. Penn

9. Michigan
9. UVA
11. Duke
11. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. Georgetown

I have seen no reason whatsoever to believe the gap between Chicago and Penn has closed. What is your justification?


I don't believe that Chicago actually has been reporting it's monetary figures incorrectly. I think that Penn's overheads / student will continue to be higher, and that the assessment scores from Chicago will drop down to the Berkeley / NYU range. I don't know if that will make the difference. Hard to tell.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Flanker1067 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:03 pm

BenJ wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:Cornell is not going to fall out of the T14 and Texas is not going to join the T14. The only changes that I see as being likely is the deadlock b/w UVA, NU, and Duke being broken this year.

Also, I am suprised to have see fewer ant-Berkeley posts w/r/t this discussion.


The thing is, the whole reason the T14 are the T14 is prestige. Even if Cornell or Georgetown (or somewhere else) is ranked 15 next year, it will still be in that elite grouping. Conversely, even if Texas or UCLA or somewhere else breaks into the top 14 on the rankings, it will not gain automatic acceptance into the traditional elite.


True, but is signifies the change that may eventually occur, i.e. UCLA/UT being looked at as a true elite. I mean, I don't care right now and it has no bearing on the school I choose, but it would be nice that in ten years the school you attended has a still great/better reputation and ranking then it does now.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby doyleoil » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:10 pm

another prediction: this thread will far surpass the levels of stupidity of all its predecessors

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Bosque » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:14 pm

I predict that once y'all are in law school you will never again care nearly so much about these silly rankings.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby rayiner » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:30 pm

Duke falling out of the T14? Michigan is more likely than Duke...

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Miracle » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:34 pm

PDaddy wrote:1) Yale
1) Harvard
3) Stanford
4) Columbia
5) NYU
6) Chicago
7) Penn
8) UVA
9) Berkeley
10) Michigan
11) Northwestern
12) Duke
13) Georgetown
14) Vanderbilt


The rest of the top-25:
15) Cornell
15) UCLA
17) Texas
18) USC
19) Minnesota
19) WUSTL
21) Illinois

22) N.D.
23) Emory
24) BC
25) BU
25) GWU
25) Fordham

I felt obligated to list the rest since I bumped Cornell from the lineup.


There is no way Cornell will be out of T-14.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Miracle » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:36 pm

jawsthegreat wrote:Well, since the other thread seemed to neglect the first 14 schools I decided to start one. This should be fun.

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. Chicago
6. NYU
6. Boalt
8. UVA
8. Penn
10. UM
11. NU
12. Duke
13. Cornell
14. GULC
14. Texas


There is no way UVA will be 8th, and Michigan will be 10th. Not even in dreams! :lol:

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:37 pm

fortissimo wrote:Another idea: Perhaps it could affect peer rep scores, because peer schools think UVA is overly gaming the system?

This is ridiculous. If this were something taken into consideration at all, Penn and its massive YPing would've gotten it knocked down a few notches a long time ago.

This is not the kind of things that people consider when discussing reputation. They care more about things like quality of education, reputation of faculty, and placement of graduates. You know, things that actually matter.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:38 pm

Do schools have their seat deposits before or after the USWNR release? I'd rather not lay down money for a school if they're going to move down on the rankings.

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Renzo » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:40 pm

Helmholtz wrote:Do schools have their seat deposits before or after the USWNR release? I'd rather not lay down money for a school if they're going to move down on the rankings.

If I were USNWR I would ask for "donations" from law schools not to put the rankings out until after seat deposit deadlines

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Re: Top 1-14 US News Predictions

Postby Vincent Vega » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:41 pm

If you have doubts about going to a school if it moves down a couple ranking points, I would doubt your reasoning for going to that school.




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