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boilercat wrote:Hmm... this could get you banned.

sjj05 wrote:STOP: HAMMERTIME

Since when is political science not a hard major? I fail to be impressed when students who major in engineering, applied mathematics, etc... bitch and moan about how GPAs are arbitrary and should not be heavily weighted in law school admissions. If you want someone to take your sciences/engineering degree seriously, apply to MIT for some kind of graduate program. This is law school, everyone majors in political science or english, which, coincidentally, at any 4-year private liberal arts college worth its salt, is a difficult, reading and writing intensive major. Don't try to compare my degree to someone's communications/criminal justice/anthropology degree from Penn State or WVU. It's not my fault you majored in something ridiculous.

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DanInALionsDen wrote:

sjj05 wrote:STOP: HAMMERTIME

Since when is political science not a hard major? I fail to be impressed when students who major in engineering, applied mathematics, etc... bitch and moan about how GPAs are arbitrary and should not be heavily weighted in law school admissions. If you want someone to take your sciences/engineering degree seriously, apply to MIT for some kind of graduate program. This is law school, everyone majors in political science or english, which, coincidentally, at any 4-year private liberal arts college worth its salt, is a difficult, reading and writing intensive major. Don't try to compare my degree to someone's communications/criminal justice/anthropology degree from Penn State or WVU. It's not my fault you majored in something ridiculous.

Don't hate.

I think the real issue here is personal interest. I didn't choose to major in English and History based on the difficulty of the coursework, I chose my majors because they contained the subject matter that I found most appealing. As for people with "harder" majors than me, I don't deny that the grading scale they are judged by is more difficult, but I cannot see why that should be something they drone on about in internet forums or in conversation, since none of us are imposing that condition on them. Their real contention is with their own department heads at their own undergraduate institutions. Badgering people with "easier" majors for their high GPAs seems to me like a pity plea mixed with academic angst. It's as though they have to insist that they are smarter than we liberal arts majors, even though we have higher GPAs, and we better not forget it, and when/if we get into better law schools then them, we had better know it was only because we took the easy way out. I'll probably get a lot of shit for this on here, but oh well.

barrinmb wrote:

DanInALionsDen wrote:

sjj05 wrote:STOP: HAMMERTIME

Since when is political science not a hard major? I fail to be impressed when students who major in engineering, applied mathematics, etc... bitch and moan about how GPAs are arbitrary and should not be heavily weighted in law school admissions. If you want someone to take your sciences/engineering degree seriously, apply to MIT for some kind of graduate program. This is law school, everyone majors in political science or english, which, coincidentally, at any 4-year private liberal arts college worth its salt, is a difficult, reading and writing intensive major. Don't try to compare my degree to someone's communications/criminal justice/anthropology degree from Penn State or WVU. It's not my fault you majored in something ridiculous.

Don't hate.

I think the real issue here is personal interest. I didn't choose to major in English and History based on the difficulty of the coursework, I chose my majors because they contained the subject matter that I found most appealing. As for people with "harder" majors than me, I don't deny that the grading scale they are judged by is more difficult, but I cannot see why that should be something they drone on about in internet forums or in conversation, since none of us are imposing that condition on them. Their real contention is with their own department heads at their own undergraduate institutions. Badgering people with "easier" majors for their high GPAs seems to me like a pity plea mixed with academic angst. It's as though they have to insist that they are smarter than we liberal arts majors, even though we have higher GPAs, and we better not forget it, and when/if we get into better law schools then them, we had better know it was only because we took the easy way out. I'll probably get a lot of shit for this on here, but oh well.

Most of us don't have a problem with you folks having higher GPAs. It's the nature of the beast. It's mainly the bitching about how the unwashed masses of science majors with low GPAs should be barred from entry into the T14, as was outlined by some troll in an earlier post. We made our choice, and we typically had better job prospects coming out of undergrad as a result. Works out great for those who don't change their minds about what they want to do, not so great for those of us who become law school applicants. Since most of us go into IP/patent law anyway, we're essentially diversity candidates (check the percentages of science/engineering candidates accepted: it's lower than minority figures for most schools) competing for spots they have to fill (because PS and English majors can't do patent law, so they need us for that particular program). I don't think we're truly competing with you guys as a result, so some of the rancor is probably misdirected.

boilercat wrote:
QFT. FWIW engineers bitching about their hard GPA-deflating major is just as annoying as humanities majors who bitch about splitters getting into T14s.

boilercat wrote:
QFT. FWIW engineers bitching about their hard GPA-deflating major is just as annoying as humanities majors who bitch about splitters getting into T14s.

SHARK WEEK! wrote:

boilercat wrote:
QFT. FWIW engineers bitching about their hard GPA-deflating major is just as annoying as humanities majors who bitch about splitters getting into T14s.

+1

Except I don't think the person earlier was really complaining about splitters, so much as she/he was complaining about how the USNWR encourages admittance of splitters while discouraging really well-qualified people who didn't quite place 1 point in either category above the magic-median. I've got nothing against splitters, power to them, but the system as is definitely gives them insulation, and dare I say an advantage that is, by itself, unearned solely by their status as a splitter.

barrinmb wrote:

boilercat wrote:
QFT. FWIW engineers bitching about their hard GPA-deflating major is just as annoying as humanities majors who bitch about splitters getting into T14s.

I hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes, but the best engineering students still have GPAs on par with liberal arts majors. It's usually just that those of us applying to law school aren't the best I never should've been an engineering major, given my particular skill set, but I thought it was interesting and it turns out that I [strike]kind of[/strike] totally suck at calculus.

insidethetwenty wrote:So where does Accounting fall into this hierarchy of difficult majors? I'm thinking harder than PoliSci/History/Liberal Arts, but significantly easier than Engineering/Advanced Math/Hard Sciences.

Desert Fox wrote:

barrinmb wrote:

boilercat wrote:
QFT. FWIW engineers bitching about their hard GPA-deflating major is just as annoying as humanities majors who bitch about splitters getting into T14s.

I hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes, but the best engineering students still have GPAs on par with liberal arts majors. It's usually just that those of us applying to law school aren't the best I never should've been an engineering major, given my particular skill set, but I thought it was interesting and it turns out that I [strike]kind of[/strike] totally suck at calculus.

Engineering courses grade on a curve. A harsh curve at most schools. Liberal arts classes give out A's like candy.

The average gpa for a liberal arts major is significantly higher than the average engineering major. That isn't even counting for differences in difficulty.

Desert Fox wrote:

barrinmb wrote:

boilercat wrote:
QFT. FWIW engineers bitching about their hard GPA-deflating major is just as annoying as humanities majors who bitch about splitters getting into T14s.

I hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes, but the best engineering students still have GPAs on par with liberal arts majors. It's usually just that those of us applying to law school aren't the best I never should've been an engineering major, given my particular skill set, but I thought it was interesting and it turns out that I [strike]kind of[/strike] totally suck at calculus.

Engineering courses grade on a curve. A harsh curve at most schools. Liberal arts classes give out A's like candy.

The average gpa for a liberal arts major is significantly higher than the average engineering major. That isn't even counting for differences in difficulty.

Aeroplane wrote:All this talk about the "qualification" of splitters makes me want to remind everyone that 1L success is generally achieved by a few months of successful prep for a very small number of high-pressure, time-limited exams.

DanInALionsDen wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:Engineering courses grade on a curve. A harsh curve at most schools. Liberal arts classes give out A's like candy.

The average gpa for a liberal arts major is significantly higher than the average engineering major. That isn't even counting for differences in difficulty.

I'm just going to point out that this is exactly what I was talking about earlier. Why are you trying to put down my major, and a number of other people's because you're not at the top of yours? Your issue is with your own department and their grading standards.

DanInALionsDen wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:

barrinmb wrote:

boilercat wrote:
QFT. FWIW engineers bitching about their hard GPA-deflating major is just as annoying as humanities majors who bitch about splitters getting into T14s.

I hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes, but the best engineering students still have GPAs on par with liberal arts majors. It's usually just that those of us applying to law school aren't the best I never should've been an engineering major, given my particular skill set, but I thought it was interesting and it turns out that I [strike]kind of[/strike] totally suck at calculus.

Engineering courses grade on a curve. A harsh curve at most schools. Liberal arts classes give out A's like candy.

The average gpa for a liberal arts major is significantly higher than the average engineering major. That isn't even counting for differences in difficulty.

I'm just going to point out that this is exactly what I was talking about earlier. Why are you trying to put down my major, and a number of other people's because you're not at the top of yours? Your issue is with your own department and their grading standards.

fortissimo wrote:

insidethetwenty wrote:So where does Accounting fall into this hierarchy of difficult majors? I'm thinking harder than PoliSci/History/Liberal Arts, but significantly easier than Engineering/Advanced Math/Hard Sciences.

physics > applied math > chem/engineering > bio/econ > business/accounting > liberal arts

if it were a personal list, I'd probably put chemistry with physics. P-chem is probably the worst undergrad class ever.

Bosque wrote:

fortissimo wrote:

insidethetwenty wrote:So where does Accounting fall into this hierarchy of difficult majors? I'm thinking harder than PoliSci/History/Liberal Arts, but significantly easier than Engineering/Advanced Math/Hard Sciences.

physics > applied math > chem/engineering > bio/econ > business/accounting > liberal arts

if it were a personal list, I'd probably put chemistry with physics. P-chem is probably the worst undergrad class ever.

"Engineering" is much to broad a category to stick into a list like that. It would be like have a category that said "science"... or "liberal arts" actually. There is a big difference between the different types.

For example, EE would be up with the physics majors, while IE would be down with the accountants.

boilercat wrote:

Bosque wrote: "Engineering" is much to broad a category to stick into a list like that. It would be like have a category that said "science"... or "liberal arts" actually. There is a big difference between the different types.

For example, EE would be up with the physics majors, while IE would be down with the accountants.

I've heard IE's pretty tough. At least tougher than Econ at my school.

Bosque wrote:

fortissimo wrote:

insidethetwenty wrote:So where does Accounting fall into this hierarchy of difficult majors? I'm thinking harder than PoliSci/History/Liberal Arts, but significantly easier than Engineering/Advanced Math/Hard Sciences.

physics > applied math > chem/engineering > bio/econ > business/accounting > liberal arts

if it were a personal list, I'd probably put chemistry with physics. P-chem is probably the worst undergrad class ever.

"Engineering" is much to broad a category to stick into a list like that. It would be like have a category that said "science"... or "liberal arts" actually. There is a big difference between the different types.

For example, EE would be up with the physics majors, while IE would be down with the accountants.

PDaddy wrote:1) Yale
1) Harvard
3) Stanford
4) Columbia
5) NYU
6) Chicago
7) Penn
UVA
9) Berkeley
10) Michigan
11) Northwestern
12) Duke
13) Georgetown
14) Vanderbilt

The rest of the top-25:
15) Cornell
15) UCLA
17) Texas
18) USC
19) Minnesota
19) WUSTL
21) Illinois
22) N.D.
23) Emory
24) BC
25) BU
25) GWU
25) Fordham

I felt obligated to list the rest since I bumped Cornell from the lineup.

5ky wrote:Personally, I have a better GPA in my economics major than in my political science major. Political science is too subjective to consistently pull a 4.0 in.