Top 1-14 US News Predictions Forum

[Flanker1067]

http://visualizelaw.wordpress.com/2009/ ... -rankings/

When you see how entrenched the T14 schools really are, talking about cornell falling out is just ridiculous. HTH.

This actually makes it look like Gtown could flip with UT/UCLA very easily, but that the rest are safe.

[democrattotheend]

When do new rankings come out?

[chadwick218]

Cornell is not going to fall out of the T14 and Texas is not going to join the T14. The only changes that I see as being likely is the deadlock b/w UVA, NU, and Duke being broken this year.

Also, I am suprised to have see fewer ant-Berkeley posts w/r/t this discussion.

[chadwick218]

When do new rankings come out?

4/23 last year, but it was delayed to account for PT rankings (which turned out to be a joke anyways)

[Kronk]

Eh, if you look at the zscores of all the categories, it seems incredibly unlikely that Chicago jumps NYU or Columbia. It's possible that the tie with NYU occurs, but it would have to be because Leiter was correct when he said Chicago was misreporting their financial figures in the 2000s and there is a significant change.

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. NYU
6. Berkeley
7. Chicago
7. Penn
9. Michigan
9. UVA
11. Duke
11. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. Georgetown

[chadwick218]

Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.

I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?

[showNprove]

Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.

I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?

How? Do you think people filling out the surveys are going to say, "Well, Virginia has great professors and student quality, but their admissions office gave out too many fee waivers for my taste"?

[fortissimo]

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[showNprove]

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[HeelsforHoos]

Does anyone know if student:faculty ratios have changed appreciably for any of the T14 this year?

[showNprove]

Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.

I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?

Less money = less financial aid available.

That's only, what, $60 an application? Even if less people had to pay the application fee this year, we're still talking peanuts. One extra student paying full tuition would probably more than make up for it.

[chadwick218]

Virginia's GPA went up 0.05 and its acceptance rate fell significantly.

I've thought about this as well. However, UVA also seemed to give out fee waivers last year to just about anyone (so as to encourage them to apply). Could this have any negative ramificatations?

How? Do you think people filling out the surveys are going to say, "Well, Virginia has great professors and student quality, but their admissions office gave out too many fee waivers for my taste"?

I was thinking of a more subtle impact ... to what extent would USNWR look disfavorably on UVA giving out fee waivers to folks who never had any shot of being admitted for the sole purpose of decreasing their acceptance rate. At the end of the day, I think that any such consideration is mute, but a consideration nonetheless.

[fortissimo]

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[BenJ]

Cornell is not going to fall out of the T14 and Texas is not going to join the T14. The only changes that I see as being likely is the deadlock b/w UVA, NU, and Duke being broken this year.

Also, I am suprised to have see fewer ant-Berkeley posts w/r/t this discussion.

The thing is, the whole reason the T14 are the T14 is prestige. Even if Cornell or Georgetown (or somewhere else) is ranked 15 next year, it will still be in that elite grouping. Conversely, even if Texas or UCLA or somewhere else breaks into the top 14 on the rankings, it will not gain automatic acceptance into the traditional elite.

[Kronk]

Eh, if you look at the zscores of all the categories, it seems incredibly unlikely that Chicago jumps NYU or Columbia. It's possible that the tie with NYU occurs, but it would have to be because Leiter was correct when he said Chicago was misreporting their financial figures in the 2000s and there is a significant change.

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. NYU
6. Berkeley
7. Chicago
7. Penn
9. Michigan
9. UVA
11. Duke
11. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. Georgetown

I have seen no reason whatsoever to believe the gap between Chicago and Penn has closed. What is your justification?

I don't believe that Chicago actually has been reporting it's monetary figures incorrectly. I think that Penn's overheads / student will continue to be higher, and that the assessment scores from Chicago will drop down to the Berkeley / NYU range. I don't know if that will make the difference. Hard to tell.

[Flanker1067]

Cornell is not going to fall out of the T14 and Texas is not going to join the T14. The only changes that I see as being likely is the deadlock b/w UVA, NU, and Duke being broken this year.

Also, I am suprised to have see fewer ant-Berkeley posts w/r/t this discussion.

The thing is, the whole reason the T14 are the T14 is prestige. Even if Cornell or Georgetown (or somewhere else) is ranked 15 next year, it will still be in that elite grouping. Conversely, even if Texas or UCLA or somewhere else breaks into the top 14 on the rankings, it will not gain automatic acceptance into the traditional elite.

True, but is signifies the change that may eventually occur, i.e. UCLA/UT being looked at as a true elite. I mean, I don't care right now and it has no bearing on the school I choose, but it would be nice that in ten years the school you attended has a still great/better reputation and ranking then it does now.

[doyleoil]

another prediction: this thread will far surpass the levels of stupidity of all its predecessors

[Bosque]

I predict that once y'all are in law school you will never again care nearly so much about these silly rankings.

[rayiner]

Duke falling out of the T14? Michigan is more likely than Duke...

[Miracle]

1) Yale
1) Harvard
3) Stanford
4) Columbia
5) NYU
6) Chicago
7) Penn
UVA
9) Berkeley
10) Michigan
11) Northwestern
12) Duke
13) Georgetown
14) Vanderbilt

The rest of the top-25:
15) Cornell
15) UCLA
17) Texas
18) USC
19) Minnesota
19) WUSTL
21) Illinois
22) N.D.
23) Emory
24) BC
25) BU
25) GWU
25) Fordham

I felt obligated to list the rest since I bumped Cornell from the lineup.

There is no way Cornell will be out of T-14.

[Miracle]

Well, since the other thread seemed to neglect the first 14 schools I decided to start one. This should be fun.

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. Chicago
6. NYU
6. Boalt
8. UVA
8. Penn
10. UM
11. NU
12. Duke
13. Cornell
14. GULC
14. Texas

There is no way UVA will be 8th, and Michigan will be 10th. Not even in dreams!

[vanwinkle]

Another idea: Perhaps it could affect peer rep scores, because peer schools think UVA is overly gaming the system?

This is ridiculous. If this were something taken into consideration at all, Penn and its massive YPing would've gotten it knocked down a few notches a long time ago.

This is not the kind of things that people consider when discussing reputation. They care more about things like quality of education, reputation of faculty, and placement of graduates. You know, things that actually matter.

[Helmholtz]

Do schools have their seat deposits before or after the USWNR release? I'd rather not lay down money for a school if they're going to move down on the rankings.

[Renzo]

Do schools have their seat deposits before or after the USWNR release? I'd rather not lay down money for a school if they're going to move down on the rankings.

If I were USNWR I would ask for "donations" from law schools not to put the rankings out until after seat deposit deadlines

[Vincent Vega]

If you have doubts about going to a school if it moves down a couple ranking points, I would doubt your reasoning for going to that school.