Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:09 am

I didn't realize it would ask for a password.

Give me a min...

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:00 am

Here is a list of where the current 3L's spend their summers:

Texas jobs

Andrews Kurth
Baker Botts (Dallas and Houston)
Bracewell and Giuliani
Carrington Coleman Sloman and Blumenthal
Collin County District Attorney's Office
Federal Public Defender, Southern District of Texas
Forshey and Prostok
Harris Country District Attorney's Office
Haynes and Boone
Hunton and Williams
Jones Day
Lone Star Legal Aid
McGlinchey Stafford
Mehaffy Weber
Office of Texas State Rep. Diane Patrick
Skadden Arps
Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
Thompson and Knight
Thompson Coe Cousins and Irons
US Attorney's Office (Austin and Houston)
US Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit
Vinson and Elkins
Weil, Gotshal and Manges


Washington DC Jobs

ABA
ACLU
Bailey Law Group
DC Public Defender Service
McDermott WIll and Emery
Office of the General Counsel Executive Office of the President
Paul, Hastings, Janofsky and Walker
Seward and Kissel
US Department of Justice
US Department of Justice - Civil/torts/aviation and admiralty
US Department of Justice - Environmental and natural resources division
World Organization for Human Rights


New York jobs

Chadbourne & Parke
Clifford Chance
Fragomen Del Rey Bernsen and Loewy
Jones Day
Kirkland and Ellis
NFL
Schulte Roth and Zabel
Skadden Arps
Tom Barr

ASSORTED jobs

Animal Defense Fund - Illinois

Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell and Berkowitz - Alabama
Balch and Bingham - Alabama

Borough of Juneau Law Department Prosecution - Alaska
Kenai Alaska District Attorney's Office - Alaska

Conservation law foundation - Massachusetts
Edwards Angell Palmer and Dodge - Massachusetts
Middlesex County District Attorney - Massachusetts
Ropes and Gray - Massachusetts

Fowler Rodriguez Valdes-Fauli - Florida
Kurzban Kurzban Winger and Tetzell - Florida
Lipton, Marguiles and Alsina - Florida

Frost Brown Todd - Kentucky
US JAG CORPS

Greenberg Taurig - Georgia
Georgia Legal Services Program - Georgia
King Spalding - Georgia

Jackson Kelly - West Virginia

Legal Aid Society of Southwest Ohio - Ohio

Legal Services of Southern Piedmont - North Carolina

National trust for historic preservation - Colorado
US Environmental Protection Agency, Region 8 - Colorado
Kinder Morgan Energy Partners - Colorado

Kiesewetter Wise Kaplan Prather - Tennessee

New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety - New Jersey
Walder Hayden and Brogan

Octagon Sports Management - Virginia

Pennsylvania Court of Common Pleas, 1st judicial district - Pennsylvania
Pepper Hamilton - Pennsylvania
Thorpe, Reed and Armstrong - Pennsylvania

Perkins Coie - Washington
Seattle City Attorney's Office, public safety division - Washington

Environmental Law Foundation - California
Horizon law group - California
Keyes and fox - California
San Diego County Office of the Public Defender - California
US Department of Justice - California


Louisiana jobs (woe be onto any LSU or Loyola NO grad that wants a job for their 2L summer in Louisiana):

Abbott Simses and Kuchler
Adams and Reese
Ajubita, Leftwich and Salzer
Barrasso Usdin Kupperman Freeman and Sarver
Carver Darden Koretzky Terrier Finn BLossman and Areaux
Catholic CHarities Archdiocese of New Orleans
CHaffe McCall
Christovich and Kearney
Cook, Yancey, King and Galloway
Deutcsch Kerrigan and Stiles
Elkins
Entertainment law legal assistance
Fowler Rodriguez Vades - Fauli
Frilot
Gainsburgh Benjamin David Meunier and Warshauer
Gordon Arata McCollam Duplantis and Eagan
Iberville Parish District Attorney's Office
Irwin Fritchie Urquhart and Moore
Jones Walker (Baton Rouge and New Orleans)
Keen Miller Hawthorne (Baton Rouge and New Orleans)
Law Offices of Tony B. Jobe
LeBlanc Bland
Liskow Lewis
Louisiana: 22nd District Court, 5th Circuit, governor's office of the executive counsel, senator's offices, supreme court
McCranie Sistrunk Anzelmo Hardy Maxwell and McDaniel
Orleans parish civil district court
Orleans parish district attorney's office
perkins coie
phelps dunbar
porteous, hainkel and johnson
proskauer rose
provosty and gankendorff
Session fishman nathan and israel
smith and flawer
stanley flanagan and reuter
stone pigman
the kullman firm
Tulane environmental law clinic
tulane university
US district court eastern district of Louisiana
US district court western district of Louisiana


International jobs
Document center of Cambodia - Phnom Penh, Cambodia
Schuster Aguilo - San Juan, Puerto Rico

Yeah I could have done the assorted section differently, but I'm lazy - plus this was time consuming enough as it was.

EDIT to say the list of where the class of 2009 found permanent employment is much more impressive. In hindsight I should have used that list. Oh well. Someone can PM me to ask about it.

EDIT because I posted the entire list
Last edited by Aberzombie1892 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby observationalist » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:47 pm

Aberzombie, is that a full list or a representative list? If it's a full list then Tulane's level of transparency is awesome... very few schools are releasing information on 2L employment, even though as you said it's often the most important indicator since it captures just about everyone who has a chance at biglaw. We were able to go through our list and figure out the %s for different indicators ( ie NLJ250; private firms; major markets)... it could be useful if someone with the full list went through and figured that stuff out.

Even if it's just a representative list, it's still very nice to see them listing non-firm employers so that people know what else is out there. Looks like Houck is still helping people land some sweet enviro gigs around the country as well. I would just caution that if it's only representative, it is likely that it overrepresents the top performers while underepresenting/hiding the people below median. That doesn't apply to this list if it contains everyone.

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:50 pm

observationalist wrote:Aberzombie, is that a full list or a representative list? If it's a full list then Tulane's level of transparency is awesome... very few schools are releasing information on 2L employment, even though as you said it's often the most important indicator since it captures just about everyone who has a chance at biglaw. We were able to go through our list and figure out the %s for different indicators ( ie NLJ250; private firms; major markets)... it could be useful if someone with the full list went through and figured that stuff out.

Even if it's just a representative list, it's still very nice to see them listing non-firm employers so that people know what else is out there. Looks like Houck is still helping people land some sweet enviro gigs around the country as well. I would just caution that if it's only representative, it is likely that it overrepresents the top performers while underepresenting/hiding the people below median. That doesn't apply to this list if it contains everyone.


It's the full list. Sadly you have to log in to be able to see it (which makes no sense to me at all).

I can report where the class of 2009 from Tulane found work if there is an interest in the information (it truly is worthwhile).

As you can imagine, it's time consuming though.

Regardless, I honestly believe Tulane is underrated in the eyes of 0L's that feel like all they need to know is that the school is ranked #45.

I do not enjoy comparing law programs (at least not in a whole concept point of view - generally I need to see it in the form of a comparison [adversary context] because I can't write advisory opinions [SCOTUS Con law joke]), but to say Tulane is not in the cluster of top non T14 private schools is ridiculous (In my mind, that cluster is Notre Dame, USC, Fordham, George Washington, Vanderbilt, Washington U).

EDIT to say that I just realized that I said that I picked a handful in the earlier post - I'm going to remove that statement because it's not true.

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby Headybrah » Wed Feb 10, 2010 11:08 pm

I can report where the class of 2009 from Tulane found work if there is an interest in the information (it truly is worthwhile)



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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby rowing2009 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:46 pm

I would also be interested in the 2009 employment information..thank you!

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby PDaddy » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:41 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
observationalist wrote:Aberzombie, is that a full list or a representative list? If it's a full list then Tulane's level of transparency is awesome... very few schools are releasing information on 2L employment, even though as you said it's often the most important indicator since it captures just about everyone who has a chance at biglaw. We were able to go through our list and figure out the %s for different indicators ( ie NLJ250; private firms; major markets)... it could be useful if someone with the full list went through and figured that stuff out.

Even if it's just a representative list, it's still very nice to see them listing non-firm employers so that people know what else is out there. Looks like Houck is still helping people land some sweet enviro gigs around the country as well. I would just caution that if it's only representative, it is likely that it overrepresents the top performers while underepresenting/hiding the people below median. That doesn't apply to this list if it contains everyone.


It's the full list. Sadly you have to log in to be able to see it (which makes no sense to me at all).

I can report where the class of 2009 from Tulane found work if there is an interest in the information (it truly is worthwhile).

As you can imagine, it's time consuming though.

Regardless, I honestly believe Tulane is underrated in the eyes of 0L's that feel like all they need to know is that the school is ranked #45.

I do not enjoy comparing law programs (at least not in a whole concept point of view - generally I need to see it in the form of a comparison [adversary context] because I can't write advisory opinions [SCOTUS Con law joke]), but to say Tulane is not in the cluster of top non T14 private schools is ridiculous (In my mind, that cluster is Notre Dame, USC, Fordham, George Washington, Vanderbilt, Washington U).

EDIT to say that I just realized that I said that I picked a handful in the earlier post - I'm going to remove that statement because it's not true.


No Emory...no W & L?

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby sanpiero » Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:53 pm

If you think T12-13% is making 140k+ ITE, you are absolutely nuts. If you think that "above median" will get your 120k+, you are even crazier. These figures you cite are for the CO 2007. Pull yourself together

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby baboon309 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:14 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
observationalist wrote:Aberzombie, is that a full list or a representative list? If it's a full list then Tulane's level of transparency is awesome... very few schools are releasing information on 2L employment, even though as you said it's often the most important indicator since it captures just about everyone who has a chance at biglaw. We were able to go through our list and figure out the %s for different indicators ( ie NLJ250; private firms; major markets)... it could be useful if someone with the full list went through and figured that stuff out.

Even if it's just a representative list, it's still very nice to see them listing non-firm employers so that people know what else is out there. Looks like Houck is still helping people land some sweet enviro gigs around the country as well. I would just caution that if it's only representative, it is likely that it overrepresents the top performers while underepresenting/hiding the people below median. That doesn't apply to this list if it contains everyone.


It's the full list. Sadly you have to log in to be able to see it (which makes no sense to me at all).

I can report where the class of 2009 from Tulane found work if there is an interest in the information (it truly is worthwhile).

As you can imagine, it's time consuming though.

Regardless, I honestly believe Tulane is underrated in the eyes of 0L's that feel like all they need to know is that the school is ranked #45.

I do not enjoy comparing law programs (at least not in a whole concept point of view - generally I need to see it in the form of a comparison [adversary context] because I can't write advisory opinions [SCOTUS Con law joke]), but to say Tulane is not in the cluster of top non T14 private schools is ridiculous (In my mind, that cluster is Notre Dame, USC, Fordham, George Washington, Vanderbilt, Washington U).

EDIT to say that I just realized that I said that I picked a handful in the earlier post - I'm going to remove that statement because it's not true.


http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1

Where is TULANE ????????????????

The most overranked T1s are IUB, UNC and TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTULANE!

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby PDaddy » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:22 pm

That's a legit question. Kent, Loyola-Chicago, Howard and Houston all beat Tulane. Makes you wonder.

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby gwuorbust » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:52 pm

baboon309 wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
observationalist wrote:Aberzombie, is that a full list or a representative list? If it's a full list then Tulane's level of transparency is awesome... very few schools are releasing information on 2L employment, even though as you said it's often the most important indicator since it captures just about everyone who has a chance at biglaw. We were able to go through our list and figure out the %s for different indicators ( ie NLJ250; private firms; major markets)... it could be useful if someone with the full list went through and figured that stuff out.

Even if it's just a representative list, it's still very nice to see them listing non-firm employers so that people know what else is out there. Looks like Houck is still helping people land some sweet enviro gigs around the country as well. I would just caution that if it's only representative, it is likely that it overrepresents the top performers while underepresenting/hiding the people below median. That doesn't apply to this list if it contains everyone.


It's the full list. Sadly you have to log in to be able to see it (which makes no sense to me at all).

I can report where the class of 2009 from Tulane found work if there is an interest in the information (it truly is worthwhile).

As you can imagine, it's time consuming though.

Regardless, I honestly believe Tulane is underrated in the eyes of 0L's that feel like all they need to know is that the school is ranked #45.

I do not enjoy comparing law programs (at least not in a whole concept point of view - generally I need to see it in the form of a comparison [adversary context] because I can't write advisory opinions [SCOTUS Con law joke]), but to say Tulane is not in the cluster of top non T14 private schools is ridiculous (In my mind, that cluster is Notre Dame, USC, Fordham, George Washington, Vanderbilt, Washington U).

EDIT to say that I just realized that I said that I picked a handful in the earlier post - I'm going to remove that statement because it's not true.


http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1

Where is TULANE ????????????????

The most overranked T1s are IUB, UNC and TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTULANE!


this chart, which I saw about a week ago, is really making me reconsider if I should put down a deposit to Tulane.

I am going to ask next weekend. I think it might be b/c Tulane is terrible at gathering their grads employment stats, which would mean that they do not have the data to release to the NLJ.

(it is my belief that each school releases that data. I am just wondering, however, if that is a false belief and if the law firms release that data. If the firms are releasing the data then ohh fuckk )

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby baboon309 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:38 pm

gwuorbust wrote:
baboon309 wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
observationalist wrote:Aberzombie, is that a full list or a representative list? If it's a full list then Tulane's level of transparency is awesome... very few schools are releasing information on 2L employment, even though as you said it's often the most important indicator since it captures just about everyone who has a chance at biglaw. We were able to go through our list and figure out the %s for different indicators ( ie NLJ250; private firms; major markets)... it could be useful if someone with the full list went through and figured that stuff out.

Even if it's just a representative list, it's still very nice to see them listing non-firm employers so that people know what else is out there. Looks like Houck is still helping people land some sweet enviro gigs around the country as well. I would just caution that if it's only representative, it is likely that it overrepresents the top performers while underepresenting/hiding the people below median. That doesn't apply to this list if it contains everyone.


It's the full list. Sadly you have to log in to be able to see it (which makes no sense to me at all).

I can report where the class of 2009 from Tulane found work if there is an interest in the information (it truly is worthwhile).

As you can imagine, it's time consuming though.

Regardless, I honestly believe Tulane is underrated in the eyes of 0L's that feel like all they need to know is that the school is ranked #45.

I do not enjoy comparing law programs (at least not in a whole concept point of view - generally I need to see it in the form of a comparison [adversary context] because I can't write advisory opinions [SCOTUS Con law joke]), but to say Tulane is not in the cluster of top non T14 private schools is ridiculous (In my mind, that cluster is Notre Dame, USC, Fordham, George Washington, Vanderbilt, Washington U).

EDIT to say that I just realized that I said that I picked a handful in the earlier post - I'm going to remove that statement because it's not true.


http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNL ... hbxlogin=1

Where is TULANE ????????????????

The most overranked T1s are IUB, UNC and TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTULANE!


this chart, which I saw about a week ago, is really making me reconsider if I should put down a deposit to Tulane.

I am going to ask next weekend. I think it might be b/c Tulane is terrible at gathering their grads employment stats, which would mean that they do not have the data to release to the NLJ.

(it is my belief that each school releases that data. I am just wondering, however, if that is a false belief and if the law firms release that data. If the firms are releasing the data then ohh fuckk )


Too bad...
Those data were from law firms, not law schools.

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Re: Tulane (20k) vs. St. John's (Full) (Long discussion...ahhhh)

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Sun Mar 07, 2010 11:58 pm

Class of 2009

Grad Programs

Georgetown U
Tulane U
U of Miami
U of Rotterdam (Netherlands)


Judicial Clerkships

DC Superior Court
LA Trial court
NJ Superior Court
US Dist Court LA x 4
US Dist Court NY


NY Jobs

Alston & Bird LLP
Cadwalader, Wickersham, & Taft LLP
Chadbourne & Parke LLP
Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
Clifford Chance LLP
Curtis Mallet - Prevost Colst & Mosie LLP
Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto
Fragomen Del Rey Bernsen & Loewy, LLP
Jones Day
Proskauer ROse LLP
Ropes & Gray LLP
Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP
Shearman & Sterling, LLP
Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP
Willkie Farr & Gallagher LLP


Texas Jobs

Boardwalk Pipeline Partners
Bracewell & Giuliani LLP
Macquarie Holdings (USA) Inc.
Patton Boggs LLP
Thompson & Knight LLP
Vinson & Elkins LLP
WInstead PC


Louisiana Jobs

Adams & Reese
Ayres, Warren, Shelton & Williams
Barrasso Usdin Kupperman Freeman & Sarver, LLC
Brocato and Robin
Carver Darden Koretzky Tessier Finn Blossman & Areaux
Chaffe McCall LLP
Community Onocology COnsultants
Deutsch Kerrigan & Stiles
Galloway, Johnson, Tompkins, Burr & Smith
Gordon, Arata, Mccollam, Duplantis & Eagan, LLP
Innocence Project New Orleans
Jones Walker
Krebs, Fareley, Pelleteri
McCranie Sistrunk Anzelmo Hardy Maxwell & McDanile, PC
Morris Bart PLC
Orleans Public Defenders
Phelps Dunbar
Proskauer Rose
Sher Gamer Cahill Richter Klein & Hilbert, LLC
Shields Mott Lund
Staines & Eppling
Stone Pigman Walther Wittmann
Sullivan Stolier & Resor
The Law Office of Joe Bruno
The Steeg Law Firm LLC
Waits, Emmett & Popp
Wall, Bullington & Cook, LLC
William G. Charbonnier, Jr.

ASSORTED

Alameda Elder Communities - CA
Fenwick & West LLP
Morrison & Foerster LLP
Richards, Watson & Gershon

Alston & Bird LLP - GA
Morris, Manning & Martin

Colorado Public Defender - CO

Exxon Mobil Corporation - VA
US Army Corp

Maryland Office of the Public Defender - MD
U of Maryland

Mintz, Levin, Cohn, Ferris, Glovsky and Popeo PC - MA

Morris, Nichols, Arsht & Tunnell LLP - DE

Smith Cashion & Orr, PLC - TN
Waller Lansden Dortch & Davis

Stoel Rives - OR

Williams Kastner - WA


(completed list that is available - it has never been updated to my knowledge - they need to update it)

I agree that Tulane does an offensive job with keeping up with its graduates, in respect to both job title and salary.




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