Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby OperaSoprano » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:11 pm

awesomepossum wrote:I'm just interested to see if OS is going on a crazy adventure to get the rankings again.


Well, AP, we know which newsstand released them early. I'll bring a couple of classmates with me, and we can go hang out down there, quiz ourselves with the Law in a Flash cards, and wait for the inevitable.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby PDaddy » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:47 pm

It's much more fun discussing the rankings from #15 to #30 (and #31-50 too) because fluctuations are easier to argue for or against. we could debate this stuff forever, but, as I said before, every school #25-50 should be tied for #26. They really are similar.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby pennstatepride » Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:52 pm

PDaddy wrote:It's much more fun discussing the rankings from #15 to #30 (and #31-50 too) because fluctuations are easier to argue for or against. we could debate this stuff forever, but, as I said before, every school #25-50 should be tied for #26. They really are similar.


I think that schools in the 25-30ish range have a distinctly more impressive faculty and student body when compared to, say, schools ranked 35-50. Just an opinion though.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby letsdoit1982 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:40 pm

PDaddy wrote:It's much more fun discussing the rankings from #15 to #30 (and #31-50 too) because fluctuations are easier to argue for or against. we could debate this stuff forever, but, as I said before, every school #25-100 should be tied for #26. They really are similar.


Corrected it for you.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby timertimer61 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:43 pm

letsdoit1982 wrote:
PDaddy wrote:It's much more fun discussing the rankings from #15 to #30 (and #31-50 too) because fluctuations are easier to argue for or against. we could debate this stuff forever, but, as I said before, every school #25-100 should be tied for #26. They really are similar.


Corrected it for you.

you are seriously going to say that bc is comparable to northeastern? or that GW is equal to catholic university?

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby vanstone22 » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:48 pm

When are the new rankings coming out?

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby Blindmelon » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:57 pm

timertimer61 wrote:
letsdoit1982 wrote:
PDaddy wrote:It's much more fun discussing the rankings from #15 to #30 (and #31-50 too) because fluctuations are easier to argue for or against. we could debate this stuff forever, but, as I said before, every school #25-100 should be tied for #26. They really are similar.


Corrected it for you.

you are seriously going to say that bc is comparable to northeastern? or that GW is equal to catholic university?


A lot of people are these boards are really into group think. 1 person says every school outside of the T17 is the same and people jump on in and keep spitting it out. Its moronic.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby vanwinkle » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:07 pm

Blindmelon wrote:A lot of people are these boards are really into group think. 1 person says every school outside of the T17 is the same and people jump on in and keep spitting it out. Its moronic.

There is actually a noticeable line in prestige drawn between the T18 (not 17) and those below them. A UCLA or UT-Austin degree is still highly recognized as portable; WUSTL and Emory are regarded as regional schools. Job placement and legal name recognition reflect this. It's not an enormous difference, but there is one.

That said, there are some oddities to the rankings that make this a little more confusing than it has to be. BC and ND both seem to have prestige and alumni networks that are more nationwide and stronger than WUSTL, but they're both ranked below WUSTL in the USNWR.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby Blindmelon » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:16 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:A lot of people are these boards are really into group think. 1 person says every school outside of the T17 is the same and people jump on in and keep spitting it out. Its moronic.

There is actually a noticeable line in prestige drawn between the T18 (not 17) and those below them. A UCLA or UT-Austin degree is still highly recognized as portable; WUSTL and Emory are regarded as regional schools. Job placement and legal name recognition reflect this. It's not an enormous difference, but there is one.

That said, there are some oddities to the rankings that make this a little more confusing than it has to be. BC and ND both seem to have prestige and alumni networks that are more nationwide and stronger than WUSTL, but they're both ranked below WUSTL in the USNWR.


Erm... I don't put USC with Vand/UT/UCLA... but thats just me. I don't think trying to rank BC/BU/GW/WUSTL/Emory/ND, etc. against each other is all that helpful. Frankly, they don't compete with each other that often (well, BU/BC does), so saying one is definitely better than other is stupid. Where the whole outside the T17 nothing matters gets ridiculous is when people start thinking that 'Dozo is better than GW/BC/BU for NYC. Or that somehow Catholic and GW are in the same league. Not that they all aren't blown to hell ITE, but there is a large distinction in job prospects between a lot of schools outside the T17. Yea, for biglaw they're all screwed, but thats not the only game out there.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby jcl2 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:26 pm

The University of Washington has fallen somewhere between #22 and #30 in the USN rankings for all but three of the last 20 years, yet it rarely makes the hypothetical top 30s posted by people on TLS. East Coast bias? :lol:

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby 09042014 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:35 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
Blindmelon wrote:A lot of people are these boards are really into group think. 1 person says every school outside of the T17 is the same and people jump on in and keep spitting it out. Its moronic.

There is actually a noticeable line in prestige drawn between the T18 (not 17) and those below them. A UCLA or UT-Austin degree is still highly recognized as portable; WUSTL and Emory are regarded as regional schools. Job placement and legal name recognition reflect this. It's not an enormous difference, but there is one.

That said, there are some oddities to the rankings that make this a little more confusing than it has to be. BC and ND both seem to have prestige and alumni networks that are more nationwide and stronger than WUSTL, but they're both ranked below WUSTL in the USNWR.


UCLA and UT aren't very portable. Hell, most of the schools 7-14 are barely portable.

What makes UCLA, UT and Vandy better is that they are unmatched regional powerhouses. UCLA, UT and Vandy beat all the schools below them in their home markets and regions, and beat most of the t14 in their home region and markets. WUSTL and Emory have seriously competition with UIUC, ND, and UGA even in their home markets.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby nealric » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:46 pm

It's a matter of perennial amusement to me how every year people gleefully predict the breakup of the T14 and how every year they are disappointed.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby 09042014 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:47 pm

nealric wrote:It's a matter of perennial amusement to me how every year people gleefully predict the breakup of the T14 and how every year they are disappointed.

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Plus if UT or UCLA bests Gtown, I bet TLS just starts calling it the T13.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby Rowinguy2009 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:51 pm

I'll play....

15 Vandy
16 Texas
17 UCLA
18 USC
19 Emory
20 Notre Dame
21 Washington U
22 U Minnesota-Twin Cities
22 George Washington
24 Boston U
25 Illinois
25 Washington and Lee
27 Boston College
28 Indiana
29 Alabama
30 W&M
30 UNC

Disclaimer: I am probably going to W&L next year, so there is a little bit of hopeful thinking going on here

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby lawschooliseasy » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:57 pm

**Baseless Speculation**

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby tram988 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:58 pm

lawschooliseasy wrote:**Baseless Speculation**

+1

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby starstruck393 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:08 pm

Blindmelon wrote:Usually I despise these threads, but its 1am, I'm a tad bored and a little buzzed.

19. Wash U
20. BU
21. ND
22. GW
23. Minnesota
24. Emory
25. UIUC
26. BC
27. WM
28. Iowa
29. Fordham
30. Indiana



Rowinguy2009 wrote:I'll play....

15 Vandy
16 Texas
17 UCLA
18 USC
19 Emory
20 Notre Dame
21 Washington U
22 U Minnesota-Twin Cities
22 George Washington
24 Boston U
25 Illinois
25 Washington and Lee
27 Boston College
28 Indiana
29 Alabama
30 W&M
30 UNC

Disclaimer: I am probably going to W&L next year, so there is a little bit of hopeful thinking going on here


I get that Blindmelon's is probably BU trolling, but I really can't see how anyone could rank BU and BC more than a spot apart. While ideally their ranking should be tied, right next to each other would work as well. But these schools are IDENTICAL...

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby shutterbug » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:13 pm

PhantaManta wrote:15. UCLA
16. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. Emory
20. WashU
21. Notre Dame
22. BU
23. Minnesota
24. BC
25. Illinois
26. Indiana
27. GWU
28. Fordham
29. Iowa
30. St. John's


see what i did?


At least maybe a slight jump for St. John's considering they seem to have eclipsed both Cardozo and Brooklyn in NY bar passage %?

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby LSATfromNC » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:30 pm

15. Vandy
16. Texas
17. UCLA
18. University of Southern California
19. WUSTL
20. GWU
21. Notre Dame
22. Emory
23. Minnesota
24. U Boston
25. Boston C
26. Iowa
27. UNC
28. W&M
29. W&L
30. Fordham
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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby 09042014 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:33 pm

What is with everyone making Notre Dame a top 20 school?

Firms obviously don't think so, even their own students admit that people on their law review who are top 10% are striking out at OCI.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby Pearalegal » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:34 pm

Desert Fox wrote:What is with everyone making Notre Dame a top 20 school?

Firms obviously don't think so, even their own students admit that people on their law review who are top 10% are striking out at OCI.



Just like all the schools ranked 30-13....

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby 09042014 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:36 pm

Pearalegal wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What is with everyone making Notre Dame a top 20 school?

Firms obviously don't think so, even their own students admit that people on their law review who are top 10% are striking out at OCI.



Just like all the schools ranked 30-13....


They are bad but not that bad. I'm guessing top 10% and LR at WUSTL, Emory, Minn, etc aren't striking, and I know top 10% and LR at UT, UCLA, Vandy aren't.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby Pearalegal » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:38 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Pearalegal wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What is with everyone making Notre Dame a top 20 school?

Firms obviously don't think so, even their own students admit that people on their law review who are top 10% are striking out at OCI.



Just like all the schools ranked 30-13....


They are bad but not that bad. I'm guessing top 10% and LR at WUSTL, Emory, Minn, etc aren't striking, and I know top 10% and LR at UT, UCLA, Vandy aren't.


There were reports of a few top 10% at Cornell striking out, and I know top 10% at WUSTL and Minn are getting shut out as well.

No clue about Emory and the like. Regardless, people at those schools are also reporting that the 1L class is almost back to normal for their summer positions.

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby mavsman88 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:44 pm

Why are most people discounting W&L from the top 30?

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Re: Top15-30 2011 US News Predicitons

Postby 09042014 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:47 pm

mavsman88 wrote:Why are most people discounting W&L from the top 30?


Where does W&L even place? ITE or in the old economy.




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