crackberry wrote:Look, I don't love Berkeley. I went to Stanford for Christ's sake. I'm supposed to HATE Berkeley.
But anyone who thinks Berkeley is not a top 3 overall university in the U.S. is seriously delusional.
Seriously, compare any university other than Harvard or Stanford to Berkeley and you understand how fucking awesome UCB is overall.
Anyone who thinks Chicago > Berkeley as an overall university has his head in the sand. It's as simple as that.
For graduate schools, the two seem pretty comparable, with berkeley being better in some and Chicago at others. My biggest problem is Berkeley's UG, which is substantially worse. If you look at USNWR for UG, Chicago is a Top 10 school, where berkeley is in the 20-30 range. Yes, Berkeley is the GW of undergrads. If you look at the world rankings in USNWR, Chicago is a top 5 school, where Berkeley is number 39 (I think this is more of a general perception type ranking, which would account for the school as a whole). Being from California, Chicago wasn't even on my radar, so I get that we don't have a sense of it as being prestigious, but Californians are unreasonably insular and we tend to think everything in our state is the best. But, we are also more public-school proud, so much so that we tend to over look that there is a lot of value to small private schools like Cal Tech. I can ask 10 people in california where Cal Tech is located and I bet you that 8 of them won't even know. Yet, there can be little doubt that it is a more impressive credential for UG and for its grad programs than berkeley and probably stanford. It just operates on a different level. Yet, we have no sense of that as Californians.