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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:07 pm

prefontaine wrote:Wouldn't it be best to see if he gets accepted off of the waitlist, and to send the letter at that time? Or is that the plan, and I just missed it?

He may as well withdraw now, it's not like he's going to give them a chance at this point.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby ughOSU » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:08 pm

rayiner wrote:Read the link. NY is by far the state with the most extreme outflux of residents.

As for New York versus Chicago:

New York has more of the stuff common people don't care about: art, culture, etc.
Chicago has less of the stuff that common people dislike: intellectuals, artists, foreigners, etc, and more of the stuff they do: sausage, deep dish pizza, etc
.

bolded is very credited. And for the record, people in Chicago don't give two shits about new york. Personally, I'm from neither city, but love both. People from NYC seem to have this mean streak about them trying to yell about how much better their city is than everywhere (even converted west coasters), and they all fail to realize that nobody cares but them. I think if anything, the lack of that prevailing arrogant attitude makes chicago>nyc in my book.

The village is fucking awesome though.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby prefontaine » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:09 pm

I'm thinking that in his vengeance he might want to hurt their numbers...
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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby drsomebody » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:09 pm

rayiner wrote: If NY is so great, why is everyone leaving?


Hate to do this, but:

New York Metro Area ≠ New York City. NYC is actually gaining residents:
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/census/popcur.shtml

And take a wild guess at which city is estimated to have lost population between 2000 and 2008?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Chicago

crackberry wrote:As a native New Yorker, I would also hate the lack of efficient/meaningful public transportation.

It's no NYC, but LA transit gets a bad rap. I spent a couple of months there without a car and did just fine. If you live on the gold or red lines the subway is quick and surprisingly comprehensive. If you're not on the metro the bus works much better than expected. I only ran into trouble when I was out drinking late.
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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby Oban » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:11 pm

New York has a leg up over chicago in nightlife, and art,

But Chicago has better COL, it's less crowded, a lake you can swim in, Better Architecture, parks that arent filled with joggin moms pushing strollers, bums, and lawyers pretending to be lance armstrong(ironic because i'm a cyclist who wants to be a lawyer)

both Chicago and New York have great food, hard to say which i like better. But NYC pizza over chicago any day. Deep dish is amazing, but not even a monthly thing. Hotdogs are better in chicago though, so are bugers(Kuma's Corner for the win)

Anyway, i moved to California for a reason. Bay Area is great, LA is ok. San diego = snooze fest.

Also, Chicago like newyork, has a bar on every street and corner. I think the city used to have the highes per captita in America.

Also chicago has the worst police force after early 90s LA.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby Oban » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:13 pm

ughOSU wrote:
rayiner wrote:Read the link. NY is by far the state with the most extreme outflux of residents.

As for New York versus Chicago:

New York has more of the stuff common people don't care about: art, culture, etc.
Chicago has less of the stuff that common people dislike: intellectuals, artists, foreigners, etc, and more of the stuff they do: sausage, deep dish pizza, etc
.

bolded is very credited. And for the record, people in Chicago don't give two shits about new york. Personally, I'm from neither city, but love both. People from NYC seem to have this mean streak about them trying to yell about how much better their city is than everywhere (even converted west coasters), and they all fail to realize that nobody cares but them. I think if anything, the lack of that prevailing arrogant attitude makes chicago>nyc in my book.

The village is fucking awesome though.


TITCR, as someone born and raised in Chicago, no one cares about NYC, at least not negitvely. Most of Chicago's younger population is transient anyway, or from rural Midwest, so the don't have any chips on thier shoulders.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:18 pm

Oban wrote:Also chicago has the worst police force after early 90s LA.


Like beat up minorities worst, or least effective?

I just like they don't use radar guns catch speeders.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:19 pm

ughOSU wrote:
rayiner wrote:Read the link. NY is by far the state with the most extreme outflux of residents.

As for New York versus Chicago:

New York has more of the stuff common people don't care about: art, culture, etc.
Chicago has less of the stuff that common people dislike: intellectuals, artists, foreigners, etc, and more of the stuff they do: sausage, deep dish pizza, etc
.

bolded is very credited. And for the record, people in Chicago don't give two shits about new york. Personally, I'm from neither city, but love both. People from NYC seem to have this mean streak about them trying to yell about how much better their city is than everywhere (even converted west coasters), and they all fail to realize that nobody cares but them. I think if anything, the lack of that prevailing arrogant attitude makes chicago>nyc in my book.

You must just know people that suck.

Also, wtf is this about "common people"? And disliking "foreigners"? WTF? I guess by "common people" you mean "middle-class white Republicans"... NYC has awesome things to do for people of just about any background or income level. Also, NYC has the most awesome food in the world. There are restaurants offering every kind of food in the world, there's 16 different kinds of Asian food, Polish, German, and Bulgarian restaurants... hell, NYC is the only place I've ever encountered Ethiopian food, and it's awesome.

NYC is also the only place I've ever seen a macaroni-and-cheese restaurant. They have everything there.

This is what you make me think about when you talk about "common people":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKbt3wRsZYw

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby crackberry » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:21 pm

vanwinkle wrote:[hell, NYC is the only place I've ever encountered Ethiopian food, and it's awesome.

Lots of Ethiopian food in the Adams Morgan/U-Street neighborhoods in DC.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:28 pm

crackberry wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:[hell, NYC is the only place I've ever encountered Ethiopian food, and it's awesome.

Lots of Ethiopian food in the Adams Morgan/U-Street neighborhoods in DC.

You know what, now that I think about that I've heard that before.

I'd consider living in DC, though it's a swamp and in the summer you have to deal with the mosquitoes and humidity.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby crackberry » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:30 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
crackberry wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:[hell, NYC is the only place I've ever encountered Ethiopian food, and it's awesome.

Lots of Ethiopian food in the Adams Morgan/U-Street neighborhoods in DC.

You know what, now that I think about that I've heard that before.

I'd consider living in DC, though it's a swamp and in the summer you have to deal with the mosquitoes and humidity.

I don't remember there being very many mosquitoes, but it is definitely humid - definitely worse summer weather than NYC.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:31 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
ughOSU wrote:
rayiner wrote:Read the link. NY is by far the state with the most extreme outflux of residents.

As for New York versus Chicago:

New York has more of the stuff common people don't care about: art, culture, etc.
Chicago has less of the stuff that common people dislike: intellectuals, artists, foreigners, etc, and more of the stuff they do: sausage, deep dish pizza, etc
.

bolded is very credited. And for the record, people in Chicago don't give two shits about new york. Personally, I'm from neither city, but love both. People from NYC seem to have this mean streak about them trying to yell about how much better their city is than everywhere (even converted west coasters), and they all fail to realize that nobody cares but them. I think if anything, the lack of that prevailing arrogant attitude makes chicago>nyc in my book.

You must just know people that suck.

Also, wtf is this about "common people"? And disliking "foreigners"? WTF? I guess by "common people" you mean "middle-class white Republicans"... NYC has awesome things to do for people of just about any background or income level. Also, NYC has the most awesome food in the world. There are restaurants offering every kind of food in the world, there's 16 different kinds of Asian food, Polish, German, and Bulgarian restaurants... hell, NYC is the only place I've ever encountered Ethiopian food, and it's awesome.

NYC is also the only place I've ever seen a macaroni-and-cheese restaurant. They have everything there.

This is what you make me think about when you talk about "common people":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKbt3wRsZYw


I'm within walking distance of an ethopian, polish, tons of different types of Asian, and German and I'm in the far northside of chicago. I don't know about Bulgarian.

Chicago has a great variety of food.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby crackberry » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:33 pm

Any big city is going to have all the food you could ever want.

The only notable variations are: better Mexican in SoCal, better Chinese in SF and New York and better sushi in coastal cities.

NYC definitely has the highest proportion of high end restaurants though. LA is second. Chicago is probably a distant third.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:34 pm

Oh, NYC even has authentic Texas BBQ. (This shocked me when I encountered it. :shock: ) I challenge you to find that in Chicago.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby crackberry » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:35 pm

vanwinkle wrote:Oh, NYC even has authentic Texas BBQ. (This shocked me when I encountered it. :shock: ) I challenge you to find that in Chicago.

I assume you are not referring to Dallas BBQ?

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby vanwinkle » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:35 pm

crackberry wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:Oh, NYC even has authentic Texas BBQ. (This shocked me when I encountered it. :shock: ) I challenge you to find that in Chicago.

I assume you are not referring to Dallas BBQ?

Oh HELL no.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby ughOSU » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:49 pm

vanwinkle wrote:
ughOSU wrote:
rayiner wrote:Read the link. NY is by far the state with the most extreme outflux of residents.

As for New York versus Chicago:

New York has more of the stuff common people don't care about: art, culture, etc.
Chicago has less of the stuff that common people dislike: intellectuals, artists, foreigners, etc, and more of the stuff they do: sausage, deep dish pizza, etc
.

bolded is very credited. And for the record, people in Chicago don't give two shits about new york. Personally, I'm from neither city, but love both. People from NYC seem to have this mean streak about them trying to yell about how much better their city is than everywhere (even converted west coasters), and they all fail to realize that nobody cares but them. I think if anything, the lack of that prevailing arrogant attitude makes chicago>nyc in my book.

You must just know people that suck.

Now that is entirely possible...
crackberry wrote:NYC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chicago.

crackberry wrote:And Chicago is full of corrupt politicians and people with biting inferiority complexes over the Second City's place in the world vis-a-vis New York.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby crackberry » Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:52 pm

I am basing many of my generalizations about Chicago off three friends who live there who won't shut up about how awesome Chicago is and how it is so much better than New York. Never mind that two of them have never been to New York. All they can talk about is having a lake and beaches (I don't consider sand next to a lake a beach. It's only a beach if the water nearby has salt in it) and deep dish pizza. It infuriates me.

In the words of the late John Updike: “The true New Yorker secretly believes that people living anywhere else have to be, in some sense, kidding.”

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby rayiner » Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:26 pm

vanwinkle wrote:Also, wtf is this about "common people"? And disliking "foreigners"? WTF? I guess by "common people" you mean "middle-class white Republicans"... NYC has awesome things to do for people of just about any background or income level.


Most people don't really like diversity, either cultural, political, or socioeconomic. Hence: suburbs.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby Dignan » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:58 pm

crackberry wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:[hell, NYC is the only place I've ever encountered Ethiopian food, and it's awesome.

Lots of Ethiopian food in the Adams Morgan/U-Street neighborhoods in DC.

Yep. There's also a fair amount of good Ethiopian food in Berkeley and Oakland.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby Borhas » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:10 pm

crackberry wrote:
vanwinkle wrote:[hell, NYC is the only place I've ever encountered Ethiopian food, and it's awesome.

Lots of Ethiopian food in the Adams Morgan/U-Street neighborhoods in DC.


lots of Ethiopians in DC/VA/MD area surprisingly enough


DELICIOUS FOOD too

New York has more of the stuff common people don't care about: art, culture, etc.
Chicago has less of the stuff that common people dislike: intellectuals, artists, foreigners, etc, and more of the stuff they do: sausage, deep dish pizza, etc.



don't forget lawyers

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby Tofu » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:27 pm

crackberry wrote:Any big city is going to have all the food you could ever want.

The only notable variations are: better Mexican in SoCal, better Chinese in SF and New York and better sushi in coastal cities.

NYC definitely has the highest proportion of high end restaurants though. LA is second. Chicago is probably a distant third.


most people i know say that socal has the best taiwanese food in cali

by socal, i pretty much mean the LA suburbs with 23423423 chinese people (e.g. rowland heights, hacienda heights, san gabriel, etc.)
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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:51 pm

I'll settle this:

SF, NYC, and Chicago are perhaps the three greatest cities in America. Different strokes for different folks.

Personally, having also lived in NY for 4+ years, I think SF is better...for me, that is. I never entirely got used to being in NYC. It's just not my speed. Chicago is a solid #2, but it's just so damn cold.

Also see: Austin, Seattle, Portland.

And, for the record, fuck L.A.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby Tangerine Gleam » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:55 pm

crackberry wrote:Any big city is going to have all the food you could ever want.

The only notable variations are: better Mexican in SoCal, better Chinese in SF and New York and better sushi in coastal cities.

NYC definitely has the highest proportion of high end restaurants though. LA is second. Chicago is probably a distant third.


Credited. And SF may not have as many high-end restaurants as NY or LA, but -- like Chicago -- is venerated as a top global culinary city. I'd even argue that it might be moreso than Chicago, especially because of the influence of all of the Napa/Sonoma vineyards and NorCal foodies as well as the huge sustainable/local food culture.

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Re: Berkeley Haters

Postby crackberry » Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:50 pm

Tangerine Gleam wrote:
crackberry wrote:Any big city is going to have all the food you could ever want.

The only notable variations are: better Mexican in SoCal, better Chinese in SF and New York and better sushi in coastal cities.

NYC definitely has the highest proportion of high end restaurants though. LA is second. Chicago is probably a distant third.


Credited. And SF may not have as many high-end restaurants as NY or LA, but -- like Chicago -- is venerated as a top global culinary city. I'd even argue that it might be moreso than Chicago, especially because of the influence of all of the Napa/Sonoma vineyards and NorCal foodies as well as the huge sustainable/local food culture.

True, all the hippies (I use this term affectionately here ... in the organic, sustainable, Whole Foods kind of way) in the Bay Area contribute to a high concentration of very good food.




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